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Old 29th November 2013, 08:39 AM   #1
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Thank you Alan and then the new Ganesha hilt from Ganja Iras could be made from a recently collected sperm whale tooth and will patinate with time.
For our reference would you identify my 2 Buginese hilts (which are about 100 years old I think) as made from sperm whale tooth or not, or which other alternative?
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Old 1st December 2013, 12:31 PM   #2
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Jean, I'm not as clever as a lot of people seem to be when it comes to identifying materials on the basis of a picture on my monitor.

I need to have the item in my hand, and more often than not, a 3X loupe screwed into my eye.

I'm sorry, but I'm not even going to have a punt of what your hilts may or may not be. Even with an item in my hand, on a couple of occasions I have very nearly purchase synthetic material as ivory, only my extreme caution and examination under magnification in good sunlight saved me. Name material from a screen pic? No thanks. Sorry.
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Old 1st December 2013, 01:59 PM   #3
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Default ivory in ganesha style with gold

This is my ganesha hilt ,made of ivory.
Carved in lombok
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Old 1st December 2013, 04:17 PM   #4
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Ganja Iras' 3 images of his ganesha hilt point to one of the many problems involved with making identifications from photos on the internet. These are shot either under two different light sources with the same camera white balance (most probable) or under the same light source with two different white balances. Either way it becomes impossible to tell which of these images portrays the correct color of the material. Most likely neither are exactly correct. Since how ivory patinas can sometimes be a clue as to the type of material used you can see how difficult that might be to determine accurately through photos and how easily colors can be manipulated.
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Old 1st December 2013, 04:59 PM   #5
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After seeing some of these, I see you point David. No, not seen very many patinated sperm whale tooth examples.
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Old 1st December 2013, 08:50 PM   #6
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Hi guys ,
if we talk about patinated on a hilt ,of course we'll see and find it on an old one.
i hope this post will make a little satisfaction for your eyes.
an old JAWA DEMAM ,with knitted silver and penokok.
thanks again .
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