New Member, New Keris

[shadejoy]

Interesting, aside from my obvious puny of a talent in photography, I'm afraid I'm also a terrible sucker at Javanese history. The philosophy in the Keris itself, how it's made and the intricate meanings of its shapes and pamors, etc that make me fall in love.

This pamor (Pedaringan Kebak) indeed has a subtle/soft tone to it. The Keris itself has thin blade and is also very light in my opinion.

Please point me where exactly do you want me to take a better close-ups at and I will give all my might to comply.

[Sajen]

Here my example with a tanggalan wrongko.

[shadejoy]

To tell you the truth, I care less about the sheath but not to say that the choice of warangka doesn't have any importance to the overall Keris itself.

I'm now even more curious, is there any significance meaning between different warangkas according to Keris custom?

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by shadejoy

To tell you the truth, I care less about the sheath but not to say that the choice of warangka doesn't have any importance to the overall Keris itself.

Hello Peter,

here what you have written in post # 1 of this thread:

The keris comes with a traditional hand-carved Timåhå wooden sheath, also known as warangka Branggah Yogyakarta.

I appreciate the comments and for authenticating my descriptions.

Regards,

Detlef

[David]

Originally Posted by shadejoy

To tell you the truth, I care less about the sheath but not to say that the choice of warangka doesn't have any importance to the overall Keris itself.

I'm now even more curious, is there any significance meaning between different warangkas according to Keris custom?

In Jawa specifically there are sheaths for formal dress wear (Ladrang) as well as everyday use (Gayaman) and some folks also have certain sheaths just for storage. Traditionally i am not sure if a reshaped wrongko like the one this keris is in would be culturally acceptable for public wear, but perhaps someone here would know the answer to that.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by David

In Jawa specifically there are sheaths for formal dress wear (Ladrang) as well as everyday use (Gayaman) and some folks also have certain sheaths just for storage. Traditionally i am not sure if a reshaped wrongko like the one this keris is in would be culturally acceptable for public wear, but perhaps someone here would know the answer to that.

Hello David,

like written before, I don't think that the wrongko in question is a reshaped one but a taggalan wrongko but to be certain we will really need better pictures.
For wrongko or warangka tanggalan see "Ensiklopedi Keris", page 458/459.

Regards,

Detlef

[Marcokeris]

I agree to Sajen 100%
Peter is possible to see the top the blade?
Thanks

[shadejoy]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

I agree to Sajen 100%
Peter is possible to see the top the blade?
Thanks

Absolutely, but I must ask you to please excuse the quality of the pictures. Amateurish is an overstatement of my photographic skills.

The Wilah and the pamor seem to split at the edge of the Keris. I wonder if it's due to frequent acid exposure.

[David]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello David,

like written before, I don't think that the wrongko in question is a reshaped one but a taggalan wrongko but to be certain we will really need better pictures.
For wrongko or warangka tanggalan see "Ensiklopedi Keris", page 458/459.

Regards,

Detlef

You might be correct on that Detlef. From the provided image i just can't tell.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by David

You might be correct on that Detlef. From the provided image i just can't tell.

Yes, you are correct, we need better pictures. From the provided pictures we also can't confirm if we have a Carita Kebrabon here.
But I am nearly sure that it will not be possible to see by this worn condition of the blade a very fine wos wutah pamor.

[shadejoy]

Originally Posted by David

You might be correct on that Detlef. From the provided image i just can't tell.

Noted, here are (I hope..) the better pics of the sheath.

I also can't tell as I am truly clueless whether the Wrangka had been reworked or not. But the wrangka is definitely similar to Detlefs.

And lastly, the wrangka has a peculiar wood grain pattern. I think it's what people call as 'Pelet'. The many shapes and figures of Pelets are supposed to signify something, if I'm not mistaken.

~Peter

[shadejoy]

Originally Posted by David

In Jawa specifically there are sheaths for formal dress wear (Ladrang) as well as everyday use (Gayaman) and some folks also have certain sheaths just for storage. Traditionally i am not sure if a reshaped wrongko like the one this keris is in would be culturally acceptable for public wear, but perhaps someone here would know the answer to that.

Hiya Dave,

Interesting indeed. If I were an Abdi Dalem, I surely wouldn't want to catch myself 'dressed' in a t-shirt during palace ceremonies.

I am almost positive that Bali has its own style of sheath compare to its Javanese counterpart. But is there any difference of ladrang and gayaman from Solo and Yogyakarta?

[David]

Originally Posted by shadejoy

I am almost positive that Bali has its own style of sheath compare to its Javanese counterpart. But is there any difference of ladrang and gayaman from Solo and Yogyakarta?

Yes, thought they both take pretty much the same form there are proportional difference which become quite obvious after you compare examples.

[David]

Thanks for the new photos of the sheath. I can now withdraw my thought that the sheath is a reshaped Ladrang wrongko. I concur with others that this is a tanggalan wrongko.