New Maguindanao Kris Form

CCUAL · 9th November 2013, 03:38 PM

Honestly, I am with Spunjer on this one, if this kris is not the one on the photo there is a stought possibility that this belongs to datu Piang's
personal collections. The extravagance of materials used in your kris
is superlative that only a well off datu can afford or Piang himself.
In the other hand, this might had belonged to a datu influenced by
Piang or blood related.

I was right behind you on that auction, I kind'da bumped a little for you as I wanted it my self, I had the same thoughts about it. I would keep it as is if that was mine, we just do not know for fact what's behind it. Sweet catch Albovias.

I hope you don't get bored with it right away and start monkeying with it.

Battara · 12th November 2013, 04:36 AM

Here is a picture of what I am talking about: the evidence of a second baka-baka.

Battara · 12th November 2013, 04:39 AM

And these pictures illustrate evidence of the possibility of another ring - note the cuts in the swassa metal along the lines parallel to the other rings below.

Battara · 12th November 2013, 04:42 AM

Thus I will try to make a second baka-baka to match the other with metal strips going up the sides. However, I may just leave the top ring alone since it is very tight and I am afraid of breaking it.

Robert · 12th November 2013, 07:03 AM

Jose, I can easily see the shadow of where the second baka-baka was originally but as to the cut marks in the swassa, they seem too random and I really do not see a pattern or anything else that would indicate that there was another ring (now missing) on the hilt. I hope that you will share photos of the process involved in the making of the new baka-baka and securing strips as well as the finished product.

Best,
Robert

David · 12th November 2013, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Thus I will try to make a second baka-baka to match the other with metal strips going up the sides. However, I may just leave the top ring alone since it is very tight and I am afraid of braking it.

José, i know how much you enjoy fiddling with these things, but if this really is or even has a strong possibility of being the historically important kris that we have been talking about here are you SURE you want to make changes to it like that?

Robert · 12th November 2013, 05:00 PM

After re-reading my earlier post I want to make it clear that I am only in favor of replacing parts such as the baka-baka and its retaining straps that have evidence that clearly show it was an original part of the hilt that it is now missing. As to the securing straps that run on the outside of the hilt, (like the ones shown on the other kris) unless there is evidence to show proof positive that these parts were originally on this hilt it is MHO that they should not be added.

Robert

Horsa · 12th November 2013, 05:16 PM

Battara,

Fantastic cleaning job on the Kris. Its a stunning improvement - however it does leave me pondering where the line can be drawn between enhancing antique metal and going too far.

Im under the impression its not recommended to remove the patina of an antique weapon.

Clearly you know what you are doing here.

Always antique weapons are purchased in a less than perfect state.

Where does one draw the line?

Horsa

9th November 2013, 03:38 PM	#1
CCUAL Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 76	Honestly, I am with Spunjer on this one, if this kris is not the one on the photo there is a stought possibility that this belongs to datu Piang's personal collections. The extravagance of materials used in your kris is superlative that only a well off datu can afford or Piang himself. In the other hand, this might had belonged to a datu influenced by Piang or blood related. I was right behind you on that auction, I kind'da bumped a little for you as I wanted it my self, I had the same thoughts about it. I would keep it as is if that was mine, we just do not know for fact what's behind it. Sweet catch Albovias. I hope you don't get bored with it right away and start monkeying with it. Last edited by CCUAL; 10th November 2013 at 02:29 AM.

12th November 2013, 04:36 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Here is a picture of what I am talking about: the evidence of a second baka-baka. Attached Images

12th November 2013, 04:39 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	And these pictures illustrate evidence of the possibility of another ring - note the cuts in the swassa metal along the lines parallel to the other rings below. Attached Images

12th November 2013, 04:42 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Thus I will try to make a second baka-baka to match the other with metal strips going up the sides. However, I may just leave the top ring alone since it is very tight and I am afraid of breaking it. Last edited by Battara; 13th February 2014 at 12:44 AM.

12th November 2013, 07:03 AM	#5
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Jose, I can easily see the shadow of where the second baka-baka was originally but as to the cut marks in the swassa, they seem too random and I really do not see a pattern or anything else that would indicate that there was another ring (now missing) on the hilt. I hope that you will share photos of the process involved in the making of the new baka-baka and securing strips as well as the finished product. Best, Robert

12th November 2013, 05:00 PM	#7
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	After re-reading my earlier post I want to make it clear that I am only in favor of replacing parts such as the baka-baka and its retaining straps that have evidence that clearly show it was an original part of the hilt that it is now missing. As to the securing straps that run on the outside of the hilt, (like the ones shown on the other kris) unless there is evidence to show proof positive that these parts were originally on this hilt it is MHO that they should not be added. Robert

12th November 2013, 05:16 PM	#8
Horsa Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 12	Battara, Fantastic cleaning job on the Kris. Its a stunning improvement - however it does leave me pondering where the line can be drawn between enhancing antique metal and going too far. Im under the impression its not recommended to remove the patina of an antique weapon. Clearly you know what you are doing here. Always antique weapons are purchased in a less than perfect state. Where does one draw the line? Horsa