New Maguindanao Kris Form

Ferguson · 2nd November 2013, 01:19 AM

I couldn't be happier for you Jose. Congrats!
Steve

Battara · 2nd November 2013, 01:30 AM

Regarding the pattern weld - no it does not end abruptly but it does not continue down the blade either. Kind of fizzles out really.

On the subject of the scabbard - I'm keeping the original scabbard! I just can't keep the kris in the scabbard without disintegrating the scabbard. I am keeping them separate, making a new one in the same fashion as the old one and wrapping the old one up for safe keeping and preservation.

By the way, I forgot what the talismanic meaning is behind the silver dot in the blade tip. Any ideas?

manteris1 · 2nd November 2013, 02:18 AM

a good shot, well done...................jimmy

Spunjer · 2nd November 2013, 03:09 AM

The resemblance between that and Datu Piang's kris is so uncanny. With all the bling associated with it, it might just be his, or a part of his personal collection...

Sajen · 2nd November 2013, 04:47 AM

Hello Jose,

you are going to replace your stolen weapons with even better pieces! I have seen by the auction photos that it is a beauty but that it is so nice......

Maybe you should built up a scabbard like on the picture from Datu Piang, when not the same kris it will be the same manufacturer.

Regards,

Detlef

Battara · 2nd November 2013, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Jose,

you are going to replace your stolen weapons with even better pieces! I have seen by the auction photos that it is a beauty but that it is so nice......

Maybe you should built up a scabbard like on the picture from Datu Pinang, when not the same kris it will be the same manufacturer.

Regards,

Detlef

I thought about that, but decided that the new scabbard should be in keeping with the original spirit of the piece, as close to the old scabbard as possible.

VVV · 2nd November 2013, 11:16 AM

Wow!!!

Great that you won it, Jose, and that it has so many hidden bonuses.
It was on my watch list, too but I was out and forgot to set my sniper.
I would never had suspected that the hilt was solid swassa…

Michael

Battara · 2nd November 2013, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

The resemblance between that and Datu Piang's kris is so uncanny. With all the bling associated with it, it might just be his, or a part of his personal collection...

Oh I would love it if it were. That is why I was so disappointed when the seller told me that his contract with the family is not to divulge the identity of the previous owner.

When I first stumbled unto this kris, I remembered this picture of Datu Piang with his kris that has puzzled me for years. I have tried in vain to research his type of kris. No documentation, no example found, not even a type mentioned in Cato or anyone else.

So when I saw this, I knew that this was unique and perhaps the only other example known in the world (so far). I had to have it and restore it/clean it up and research it.

Spunjer · 2nd November 2013, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

When I first stumbled unto this kris, I remembered this picture of Datu Piang with his kris that has puzzled me for years. I have tried in vain to research his type of kris. No documentation, no example found, not even a type mentioned in Cato or anyone else.

Datu Piang's kris is unique, but i don't think it's a different type. the pommel is the smaller abbreviated type sarimanok minus the tail and neck. what makes it looks so different is the way the wing-like protrusion is expressed by the craftsman; chased, rather than one solid piece. also the excellent ukkil presentation just above the ferrule. which makes me think it was done by the same craftsman who did Piang's kris on the photo.
really glad that you got it, tho, Jose. now that you posted the picture, it really answered a lot of questions on what was going on with the kris old man Amai Mingka (Piang) was holding. to compare those two is just amazing!!!

VANDOO · 2nd November 2013, 04:29 PM

WOW!! AND THE MAGICIAN PULLS ANOTHER RARE TREASURE OUT OF HIS HAT.

ITS GREAT WHEN KNOWLEGE, PERSERVERENCE, MONEY AND EXCEPTIONAL LUCK ALL COME TOGETHER FOR SUCH A GREAT FIND. IT COULDN'T HAPPEN TO A NICER GUY. CONGRADULATIONS.

Spunjer · 3rd November 2013, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

When I first stumbled unto this kris, I remembered this picture of Datu Piang with his kris that has puzzled me for years. I have tried in vain to research his type of kris. No documentation, no example found, not even a type mentioned in Cato or anyone else.

ok, lemme go slow on this one...

as far as the handle, the shape is similar to this one:

Spunjer · 3rd November 2013, 02:07 PM

...on the picture posted above, notice how the tail part and the front part are blunt. here's the same picture, encircled this time. and also a picture of your Piang's kris, encircled at the same spots. i also added another kris that has similar designed pommel.

Maurice · 3rd November 2013, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

By the way, I forgot what the talismanic meaning is behind the silver dot in the blade tip. Any ideas?

Wow what a nice kris you have found Jose. Congrats with this beauty!
I don't know what the silver dot in the blade tip means, and I'm also curious if somebody find something out about it in the future.

I have a mandau with one dot in the middle which is all through the blade, and four dots around the central dot like a square, inlaid in only one side of the blade and not going all through the blade.
Though dots in mandaublades are not uncommon, it's strange to have them on a mandaublade situated like these.
As the dayaks has other beliefs as the moro's, I don't think the solution of the meaning of such dot will be applicable for both swords.
But I thought it would be a nice side addition to show the images here...

Maurice

2nd November 2013, 04:47 AM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,409	Hello Jose, you are going to replace your stolen weapons with even better pieces! I have seen by the auction photos that it is a beauty but that it is so nice...... Maybe you should built up a scabbard like on the picture from Datu Piang, when not the same kris it will be the same manufacturer. Regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 2nd November 2013 at 01:18 PM.

3rd November 2013, 02:07 PM	#12
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	...on the picture posted above, notice how the tail part and the front part are blunt. here's the same picture, encircled this time. and also a picture of your Piang's kris, encircled at the same spots. i also added another kris that has similar designed pommel. Attached Images Last edited by Spunjer; 3rd November 2013 at 02:56 PM.

2nd November 2013, 01:19 AM	#1
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	I couldn't be happier for you Jose. Congrats! Steve

2nd November 2013, 01:30 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,342	Regarding the pattern weld - no it does not end abruptly but it does not continue down the blade either. Kind of fizzles out really. On the subject of the scabbard - I'm keeping the original scabbard! I just can't keep the kris in the scabbard without disintegrating the scabbard. I am keeping them separate, making a new one in the same fashion as the old one and wrapping the old one up for safe keeping and preservation. By the way, I forgot what the talismanic meaning is behind the silver dot in the blade tip. Any ideas?

2nd November 2013, 02:18 AM	#3
manteris1 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 114	a good shot, well done...................jimmy

2nd November 2013, 03:09 AM	#4
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	The resemblance between that and Datu Piang's kris is so uncanny. With all the bling associated with it, it might just be his, or a part of his personal collection...

2nd November 2013, 11:16 AM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Wow!!! Great that you won it, Jose, and that it has so many hidden bonuses. It was on my watch list, too but I was out and forgot to set my sniper. I would never had suspected that the hilt was solid swassa… Michael

2nd November 2013, 04:29 PM	#10
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	WOW!! AND THE MAGICIAN PULLS ANOTHER RARE TREASURE OUT OF HIS HAT. ITS GREAT WHEN KNOWLEGE, PERSERVERENCE, MONEY AND EXCEPTIONAL LUCK ALL COME TOGETHER FOR SUCH A GREAT FIND. IT COULDN'T HAPPEN TO A NICER GUY. CONGRADULATIONS.