New Maguindanao Kris Form

[CharlesS]

Jose,

What's going on with the blade just beneath ganja???...it looks like it wants to be a twist core. Does that pattern end abruptly?

[David]

Wow, i was watching this as well, but didn't imagine those metals were involved. Great catch José. Congrats!

[Spunjer]

Yowza!!!! Now that's a score! Truly a rare piece if I may say so. Never saw a silver gangya before, and prolly won't see one again. And the handle; wow. Just wow. Echoing Charles' comment: is the blade twistcore? It looks it. Now regarding the scabbard... I realize it doesn't jive with the kris' s new look, but does it have to be discarded? I can see if it weren't original to the blade, but that poor thing has as much history as the kris itself
Talk about blast from the past: Moose n where the heck have you been??? Nice to see ya back, my friend

[Ferguson]

I couldn't be happier for you Jose. Congrats!
Steve

[Battara]

Regarding the pattern weld - no it does not end abruptly but it does not continue down the blade either. Kind of fizzles out really.

On the subject of the scabbard - I'm keeping the original scabbard! I just can't keep the kris in the scabbard without disintegrating the scabbard. I am keeping them separate, making a new one in the same fashion as the old one and wrapping the old one up for safe keeping and preservation.




By the way, I forgot what the talismanic meaning is behind the silver dot in the blade tip. Any ideas?

[manteris1]

a good shot, well done...................jimmy

[Spunjer]

The resemblance between that and Datu Piang's kris is so uncanny. With all the bling associated with it, it might just be his, or a part of his personal collection...

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by Battara

By the way, I forgot what the talismanic meaning is behind the silver dot in the blade tip. Any ideas?

Wow what a nice kris you have found Jose. Congrats with this beauty!
I don't know what the silver dot in the blade tip means, and I'm also curious if somebody find something out about it in the future.

I have a mandau with one dot in the middle which is all through the blade, and four dots around the central dot like a square, inlaid in only one side of the blade and not going all through the blade.
Though dots in mandaublades are not uncommon, it's strange to have them on a mandaublade situated like these.
As the dayaks has other beliefs as the moro's, I don't think the solution of the meaning of such dot will be applicable for both swords.
But I thought it would be a nice side addition to show the images here...

Maurice

[moose]

Originally Posted by Spunjer

Talk about blast from the past: Moose n where the heck have you been??? Nice to see ya back, my friend

Thanks! Ron,
Been doing different things but have swung by once in awhile. I'm training in FMA's again so picking out a couple of my swords to do some restoration on. Figured I'd need to be picking Jose's brain here soon.
Maybe get a couple of old questions answered by the group.
Nice to be back ...

[moose]

On the right is my diminutive kakatua style pommel made of ivory. Blunt but not quite as blunt as Spunger's.

[Battara]

Welcome back Moose.

Your piece on the right maybe a little different - it seems to me more in line with earlier forms, not so much this type on discussion. However it would help to see the rest of the blade as well.

Just for clarification: yes I agree that the general form is not unknown. However what I have not seen before and what I am catagorizing as new is the version that is in Datu Piang's hand and the nearly identical version now in my possession.

That being said, I am glad Cual that you brought up the picture of the ivory one that seems to be in the same family - I forgot where it was.

All of these 3-4 examples of this type of pommel style show us that there is more that Cato did not mention in his book, although his is a beginning grammer, so to speak.

And Moose, if you want to pick my brain (and not my nose) you can message me here or at battara@hotmail.com