New Maguindanao Kris Form

kino · 1st November 2013, 09:56 PM

So you're the one with the deep pockets.
After all the polishing and etching, you underpaid considering the outcome.
Congrats on catching a nice sword.
It amazes me how you already have it and got it all spiffied up in such a short time.

Is the pommel wood or ivory under the silver?

Battara · 1st November 2013, 10:09 PM

Inside the hilt there is a small and narrow wood core. The rest is heavy swassa and gold. Solid - no plating as far as I can tell. Thus no ivory. As I said earlier there are remnants of small casting bubbles in the thick heavy swassa.

moose · 1st November 2013, 10:37 PM

Fantastic! Thanks for posting.

Battara · 1st November 2013, 11:45 PM

Oh I forgot, here is a picture of how I get it before I did clean up and restoration. This picture also shows the original scabbard, which I shall replicate because this original scabbard is crumbling, splitting apart, and splintering. The scabbard bands are white metal (after polishing and testing).

Yes I was freaked when I saw it and saw the potential based on the patinas on the metals. I first thought it was cast silver, but was happily surprised when I polished it and tested it, discovering it to be pure cast swassa gold.

Also when I was polishing the blade, I noticed that the ganga was not a different steel but an altogether different metalthan the rest of the blade. So I tested that and it came out to be solid silver - looking like it is as high as sterling silver (92.5% pure silver).

I am very happy.....

if there are any other examples like this or like what is in Datu Piang's hands, please post here for our research and learning. Mine and his are the only examples of this type that I am aware.

CharlesS · 1st November 2013, 11:52 PM

Jose,

What's going on with the blade just beneath ganja???...it looks like it wants to be a twist core. Does that pattern end abruptly?

David · 2nd November 2013, 12:12 AM

Wow, i was watching this as well, but didn't imagine those metals were involved. Great catch José. Congrats!

Spunjer · 2nd November 2013, 01:12 AM

Yowza!!!! Now that's a score! Truly a rare piece if I may say so. Never saw a silver gangya before, and prolly won't see one again. And the handle; wow. Just wow. Echoing Charles' comment: is the blade twistcore? It looks it. Now regarding the scabbard... I realize it doesn't jive with the kris' s new look, but does it have to be discarded? I can see if it weren't original to the blade, but that poor thing has as much history as the kris itself

Talk about blast from the past: Moose n where the heck have you been??? Nice to see ya back, my friend

1st November 2013, 11:45 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,305	Oh I forgot, here is a picture of how I get it before I did clean up and restoration. This picture also shows the original scabbard, which I shall replicate because this original scabbard is crumbling, splitting apart, and splintering. The scabbard bands are white metal (after polishing and testing). Yes I was freaked when I saw it and saw the potential based on the patinas on the metals. I first thought it was cast silver, but was happily surprised when I polished it and tested it, discovering it to be pure cast swassa gold. Also when I was polishing the blade, I noticed that the ganga was not a different steel but an altogether different metalthan the rest of the blade. So I tested that and it came out to be solid silver - looking like it is as high as sterling silver (92.5% pure silver). I am very happy..... if there are any other examples like this or like what is in Datu Piang's hands, please post here for our research and learning. Mine and his are the only examples of this type that I am aware. Attached Images

1st November 2013, 09:56 PM	#1
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,019	So you're the one with the deep pockets. After all the polishing and etching, you underpaid considering the outcome. Congrats on catching a nice sword. It amazes me how you already have it and got it all spiffied up in such a short time. Is the pommel wood or ivory under the silver?

1st November 2013, 10:09 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,305	Inside the hilt there is a small and narrow wood core. The rest is heavy swassa and gold. Solid - no plating as far as I can tell. Thus no ivory. As I said earlier there are remnants of small casting bubbles in the thick heavy swassa.

1st November 2013, 10:37 PM	#3
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	Fantastic! Thanks for posting.

1st November 2013, 11:52 PM	#5
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Jose, What's going on with the blade just beneath ganja???...it looks like it wants to be a twist core. Does that pattern end abruptly?

2nd November 2013, 12:12 AM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,227	Wow, i was watching this as well, but didn't imagine those metals were involved. Great catch José. Congrats!

2nd November 2013, 01:12 AM	#7
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Yowza!!!! Now that's a score! Truly a rare piece if I may say so. Never saw a silver gangya before, and prolly won't see one again. And the handle; wow. Just wow. Echoing Charles' comment: is the blade twistcore? It looks it. Now regarding the scabbard... I realize it doesn't jive with the kris' s new look, but does it have to be discarded? I can see if it weren't original to the blade, but that poor thing has as much history as the kris itself Talk about blast from the past: Moose n where the heck have you been??? Nice to see ya back, my friend