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|  29th October 2013, 10:04 PM | #21 | 
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			Oh yes, I almost forgot. In respect of these hilts with motifs that can be interpreted as cloud motifs, may I suggest that Pekalongan is more likely as point of origin than Cirebon. If I am correct in this possibility, it is also possible that these hilts, were made on the order of an ethnic Chinese person, rather than an ethnic Javanese. | 
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