Unusual planar keris handles

Jean · 25th October 2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Jean,

I doubt that the handle is from East Java, Gustav and Chandra may be correct with the Cirebon origin.
Detlef

I agree that the handle could originate from Cirebon but I could not find any piece with similar motifs in my archives, can somebody show us one?
Regards

Marcokeris · 29th October 2013, 05:13 PM

another pic of an old cirebon handle with clouds pattern on the base

Marcokeris · 29th October 2013, 05:15 PM

another unusual hilt

Sajen · 29th October 2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris

another unusual hilt

Interesting hilt with the pierced through carvings at the patras.

A. G. Maisey · 29th October 2013, 10:01 PM

I've got quite a few planar hilts that I'd like to post to this thread, but at the moment I don't have time to do the pics.

Here is one that I do already have an image of.

New, sawo, cecekan krawangan, dikruwing.

A. G. Maisey · 29th October 2013, 10:04 PM

Oh yes, I almost forgot.

In respect of these hilts with motifs that can be interpreted as cloud motifs, may I suggest that Pekalongan is more likely as point of origin than Cirebon.

If I am correct in this possibility, it is also possible that these hilts, were made on the order of an ethnic Chinese person, rather than an ethnic Javanese.

Sajen · 30th October 2013, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Oh yes, I almost forgot.

In respect of these hilts with motifs that can be interpreted as cloud motifs, may I suggest that Pekalongan is more likely as point of origin than Cirebon.

If I am correct in this possibility, it is also possible that these hilts, were made on the order of an ethnic Chinese person, rather than an ethnic Javanese.

Thank you for your thoughts about this both hilts. This would explain also the high age from both hilts. Mataram era, correct?

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 30th October 2013, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I've got quite a few planar hilts that I'd like to post to this thread, but at the moment I don't have time to do the pics.

Here is one that I do already have an image of.

New, sawo, cecekan krawangan, dikruwing.

Nice hilt Alan, please can you explain "dikruwing"?

Sajen · 29th October 2013, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris

another pic of an old cirebon handle with clouds pattern on the base

Hello Marco,

thank you very much for showing this example, the carvings in up resembles indeed the carvings of my hilt at the same area.

Regards,

Detlef

29th October 2013, 05:13 PM	#2
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	another pic of an old cirebon handle with clouds pattern on the base Attached Images

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Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	another unusual hilt Attached Images

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A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,989	I've got quite a few planar hilts that I'd like to post to this thread, but at the moment I don't have time to do the pics. Here is one that I do already have an image of. New, sawo, cecekan krawangan, dikruwing. Attached Images

29th October 2013, 10:04 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,989	Oh yes, I almost forgot. In respect of these hilts with motifs that can be interpreted as cloud motifs, may I suggest that Pekalongan is more likely as point of origin than Cirebon. If I am correct in this possibility, it is also possible that these hilts, were made on the order of an ethnic Chinese person, rather than an ethnic Javanese.