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Sajen · 19th October 2013, 12:36 AM

Hallo Peter,

it's late already in Germany but this blade you have there is one of the most interesting blades I have seen here for a long time. I need to look longer to your blade to tell you more as I can do for the moment. Pamor is wos wutah. Difficult to count the luks, five would say the most but could be seven also. And it is a Java blade. Do you have a scabbard? How long is the blade? It is not a new blade for sure but it is very good preserved.
I am sure that Alan will be able to tell you much more about your blade.

Regards,

Detlef

Rick · 19th October 2013, 02:23 AM

You are not alone in finding this blade interesting, Detlef .

A. G. Maisey · 19th October 2013, 07:30 AM

Thanks for your vote of confidence Detlef, but I'm afraid that Alan cannot say much about this blade at all.

Using the current convention of count I'd be inclined to give this as 5 luk, not 7; however, that said, this blade does demonstrate very clearly my proposition that the current convention of count adds 2 non-existent luk to the count.

I am not inclined to try to give this blade a classification in accordance with the tangguh system, but I would draw your attention to the very stiff gonjo, lack of erosion at the fine points of the ricikan and the form of the ron dha.

Place of origin is probably East Jawa.

Jean · 19th October 2013, 09:21 AM

This blade has a very peculiar dapur without pejetan especially.
Looking at the 4th picture from the top, it seems that the metal on the elephant head has a different colour from the base and no pamor lines as if if it had been patched later? Or am I overly suspicious?

Regards

A. G. Maisey · 19th October 2013, 10:43 AM

It could be an addition Jean, but I think it is more likely to be original, probably an outer skin used during the manufacturing process.

Jean · 19th October 2013, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

It could be an addition Jean, but I think it is more likely to be original, probably an outer skin used during the manufacturing process.

Thank you Alan, your opinion makes much sense since Peter bought it in the seventies but I found it unusual.

Peter, could you please show us the sheath if there is one?
Regards

PeterP · 19th October 2013, 12:04 PM

Well, first of all, thanks for your comments so far. As for the questions: the length of the blade is 41 cm including the peksi, 34 without. It has no dress, I bought it as it is now, with the same handle, which doesn't mean it is the original one. If I have a close look at the elephants head, it has the same colour and material expression as the rest of the keris, on the other side of the keris the pamorline of the head extends down towards the base and merges with the other lines, so I can't imagine it to be a later addition. I will post additional pictures later to give more details about the construction. Also the outer tip of the gonjo received a bump during it's life (I'm innocent) and is slightly bent.

19th October 2013, 09:21 AM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	This blade has a very peculiar dapur without pejetan especially. Looking at the 4th picture from the top, it seems that the metal on the elephant head has a different colour from the base and no pamor lines as if if it had been patched later? Or am I overly suspicious? Regards Last edited by Jean; 19th October 2013 at 09:56 AM.

19th October 2013, 12:36 AM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Hallo Peter, it's late already in Germany but this blade you have there is one of the most interesting blades I have seen here for a long time. I need to look longer to your blade to tell you more as I can do for the moment. Pamor is wos wutah. Difficult to count the luks, five would say the most but could be seven also. And it is a Java blade. Do you have a scabbard? How long is the blade? It is not a new blade for sure but it is very good preserved. I am sure that Alan will be able to tell you much more about your blade. Regards, Detlef

19th October 2013, 02:23 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	You are not alone in finding this blade interesting, Detlef .

19th October 2013, 07:30 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Thanks for your vote of confidence Detlef, but I'm afraid that Alan cannot say much about this blade at all. Using the current convention of count I'd be inclined to give this as 5 luk, not 7; however, that said, this blade does demonstrate very clearly my proposition that the current convention of count adds 2 non-existent luk to the count. I am not inclined to try to give this blade a classification in accordance with the tangguh system, but I would draw your attention to the very stiff gonjo, lack of erosion at the fine points of the ricikan and the form of the ron dha. Place of origin is probably East Jawa.

19th October 2013, 10:43 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	It could be an addition Jean, but I think it is more likely to be original, probably an outer skin used during the manufacturing process.

19th October 2013, 12:04 PM	#7
PeterP Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 15	Well, first of all, thanks for your comments so far. As for the questions: the length of the blade is 41 cm including the peksi, 34 without. It has no dress, I bought it as it is now, with the same handle, which doesn't mean it is the original one. If I have a close look at the elephants head, it has the same colour and material expression as the rest of the keris, on the other side of the keris the pamorline of the head extends down towards the base and merges with the other lines, so I can't imagine it to be a later addition. I will post additional pictures later to give more details about the construction. Also the outer tip of the gonjo received a bump during it's life (I'm innocent) and is slightly bent.