Moro kris gangya covered

David · 8th October 2013, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

my question is, what's the purpose of the rattan bind?

it appears both baka2x are present...

Sorry Ron, but when you presented you question like this citing the presence of the baka baka it wasn't clear to me that you were thinking about the pommel.

I guess the hardware store was closed so he made due with the rattan.

kino · 8th October 2013, 02:08 AM

There are no remnants of an okir on the covers, there are these dots design perhaps a start of an okir. The brass band of the scabbard has same dotted design.

The pommel is tight to the hilt, no wiggle. It doesn't seem like it was ever broken or repaired. Unless of course it was glued and the rattan binding was used as a clamp to stabilize the pieces until the glue dries. Maybe the binding was supposed to be discarded after the glue dries.

X-ray?, Halloween is almost upon us, perhaps I could sneak the kris in with some candy and have the local facility that provides free x-ray service for collected Halloween candy zap it.

I wonder if the covers serves as the same purpose of having the arrowhead design filled in with metal. I have seen maybe 2 kris' with the arrowhead filled in, 1 was copper filled and I can't recall what the other was.
DaveS might be the owner of 1 of those kris'.

Spunjer · 8th October 2013, 02:45 AM

lol, i wasn't thinking about the pommel to begin with, David. not til you brought it up.
lemme rephrase that:

if both baka2x were present, then why the need for rattan bind knowing that those two clamps would suffice in keeping the blade in place?

you then mentioned the pommel which was a possibility. as in the possiblity that the rattan bind was there to hold it in place.

which brought up, in my mind anyway, a more of a rethorical question on why the original owner would rather do this than glueing the pommel in place.

now that kino mentioned that the pommel is tight to the hilt, it might serve some other purpose... i notice the second set of bindings (normally three sets about quarter inch wide on top of the primary bindings are missing (or are they? can't see too well from the photos...). so i reckon the rattan binds would give it a more secure grip?

Battara · 8th October 2013, 04:18 AM

Kino Thanks for the clarification. What I thought I saw as well worn okir may just be scratches.

Sajen · 8th October 2013, 08:09 AM

Interesting kris!

Want to remember this one from my collection: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15589
The rattan binding at this one was done clearly to secure the pommel which was loose when I get it. Now it is reglued and someone who don't know that it is reglued will ask himself for which reason the rattan bindings are.

Regards,

Detlef

David · 8th October 2013, 02:47 PM

Can i ask of Detlef and anyone else who has re-glued a pommel on one of these swords what glue they used or would suggest? I have a loose pommel and i would like to avoid the rattan method.

Spunjer · 8th October 2013, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Can i ask of Detlef and anyone else who has re-glued a pommel on one of these swords what glue they used or would suggest? I have a loose pommel and i would like to avoid the rattan method.

i have been using Elmer's wood glue and they hold up pretty good. it dries clear as well...

Sajen · 8th October 2013, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Can i ask of Detlef and anyone else who has re-glued a pommel on one of these swords what glue they used or would suggest? I have a loose pommel and i would like to avoid the rattan method.

Hello David,

it was used wood glue for boat building.

Regards,

Detlef

8th October 2013, 02:08 AM	#2
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,018	There are no remnants of an okir on the covers, there are these dots design perhaps a start of an okir. The brass band of the scabbard has same dotted design. The pommel is tight to the hilt, no wiggle. It doesn't seem like it was ever broken or repaired. Unless of course it was glued and the rattan binding was used as a clamp to stabilize the pieces until the glue dries. Maybe the binding was supposed to be discarded after the glue dries. X-ray?, Halloween is almost upon us, perhaps I could sneak the kris in with some candy and have the local facility that provides free x-ray service for collected Halloween candy zap it. I wonder if the covers serves as the same purpose of having the arrowhead design filled in with metal. I have seen maybe 2 kris' with the arrowhead filled in, 1 was copper filled and I can't recall what the other was. DaveS might be the owner of 1 of those kris'.

8th October 2013, 02:45 AM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	lol, i wasn't thinking about the pommel to begin with, David. not til you brought it up. lemme rephrase that: if both baka2x were present, then why the need for rattan bind knowing that those two clamps would suffice in keeping the blade in place? you then mentioned the pommel which was a possibility. as in the possiblity that the rattan bind was there to hold it in place. which brought up, in my mind anyway, a more of a rethorical question on why the original owner would rather do this than glueing the pommel in place. now that kino mentioned that the pommel is tight to the hilt, it might serve some other purpose... i notice the second set of bindings (normally three sets about quarter inch wide on top of the primary bindings are missing (or are they? can't see too well from the photos...). so i reckon the rattan binds would give it a more secure grip?

8th October 2013, 04:18 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Kino Thanks for the clarification. What I thought I saw as well worn okir may just be scratches.

8th October 2013, 08:09 AM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Interesting kris! Want to remember this one from my collection: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15589 The rattan binding at this one was done clearly to secure the pommel which was loose when I get it. Now it is reglued and someone who don't know that it is reglued will ask himself for which reason the rattan bindings are. Regards, Detlef

8th October 2013, 02:47 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Can i ask of Detlef and anyone else who has re-glued a pommel on one of these swords what glue they used or would suggest? I have a loose pommel and i would like to avoid the rattan method.