DUTCH BRING BACK KERIS

asomotif · 20th September 2013, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Willem,
I believe that you will see some pamor if you clean and stain the blade properly,

Hello Jean,

I do not have the skills and material to do a warangan stain.
I have stained the blade with lemon juice for approx 24 hours an got the results as below.

In my opinion their is no pamor in this blade. What do you think ?

Bestregards,
Willem

Sajen · 21st September 2013, 12:01 AM

Hello Willem,

seems that you are correct! When I am you I would bath the blade inside the lemon juice until all rust spots are removed and would let the blade in this status.
In my opinion the pamorless is a sign that it is a Malay blade.

Regards,

Detlef

Jean · 21st September 2013, 09:42 AM

Hello Willem,
Hum, the blade is well cleaned and no traces of pamor indeed! I fully agree with Sajen.
Best regards
Jean

Jean · 21st September 2013, 09:57 AM

Hello Willem,
This kris is probably originating from East Sumatra and the blade is different from yours (short gandik, ganja iras, etc) but it also has no pamor.
Regards

David · 21st September 2013, 03:44 PM

Well, i'm not so sure that the pamorless blade is a sign of origin, since pamorless blades can be found from just about anywhere, but to my eyes this looks more from the peninsula then Sumatra.

Jean · 21st September 2013, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Well, i'm not so sure that the pamorless blade is a sign of origin, since pamorless blades can be found from just about anywhere, but to my eyes this looks more from the peninsula then Sumatra.

Hi David,
If you mean my kris, its origin has been attributed to Jambi by the previous owners but I am not sure and fully open to other opinions. The blade is quite peculiar, it was treated by warangan which gives it this dark colour.

Best regards

Sajen · 21st September 2013, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

Hi David,
If you mean my kris, its origin has been attributed to Jambi by the previous owners but I am not sure and fully open to other opinions. The blade is quite peculiar, it was treated by warangan which gives it this dark colour.

Best regards

Hello Jean,

the blade look like a Palembang blade, have a very similar iras keris in my collection.
I think David relating to the keris in question.

Best,

Detlef

Sajen · 21st September 2013, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Well, i'm not so sure that the pamorless blade is a sign of origin, since pamorless blades can be found from just about anywhere, but to my eyes this looks more from the peninsula then Sumatra.

Hello David,

of course you are correct!

But the complete shape of the blade plus the "kelengan" let me think in this direction. And it seems that we agree at this point.

Regards,

Detlef

David · 21st September 2013, 08:54 PM

Yes Jean, i was referring to Willem's keris, not yours. And to me, both the blade and the sheath always seemed more peninsula than Sumatran. That "flat" ivory buntet on the sheath looks much more like peninsula examples i have seen. The very boldly defined gandik and the meaty pesi looks more like what i would expect from a peninsula piece.

21st September 2013, 09:57 AM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Willem, This kris is probably originating from East Sumatra and the blade is different from yours (short gandik, ganja iras, etc) but it also has no pamor. Regards Attached Images

21st September 2013, 12:01 AM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hello Willem, seems that you are correct! When I am you I would bath the blade inside the lemon juice until all rust spots are removed and would let the blade in this status. In my opinion the pamorless is a sign that it is a Malay blade. Regards, Detlef

21st September 2013, 09:42 AM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Willem, Hum, the blade is well cleaned and no traces of pamor indeed! I fully agree with Sajen. Best regards Jean

21st September 2013, 03:44 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Well, i'm not so sure that the pamorless blade is a sign of origin, since pamorless blades can be found from just about anywhere, but to my eyes this looks more from the peninsula then Sumatra.

21st September 2013, 08:54 PM	#9
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Yes Jean, i was referring to Willem's keris, not yours. And to me, both the blade and the sheath always seemed more peninsula than Sumatran. That "flat" ivory buntet on the sheath looks much more like peninsula examples i have seen. The very boldly defined gandik and the meaty pesi looks more like what i would expect from a peninsula piece.