Balinese/Lombok pedang

[Gavin Nugent]

Hi Maurice,

I nice piece and as discussed, I am happy you won it, it was meant to be. I'll share the other one in time.

Tonight I have little time for writing but wish to note that Adni of MAG notes these as "klewang from the island of Lombok", perhaps an email to Adni may reveal some further information.
All but a few of my books are now in storage along with most of the family home contents...but what does Buttin mention about these swords?

Gavin

[A. G. Maisey]

Thank you for your further comments Maurice.

"Djelengga" was Ir. H. Lalu Djelengga. He is now deceased. He authored "Keris di Lombok", published by Yayasan Pusaka Selaparang, it is out of print, and probably not able to be obtained, but you might find somebody with a photocopy for sale. This is the best reference for keris and other weapons from Lombok.

The 30 years I mentioned is the approximate time I have been involved in the keris trade in Jawa. My tuition by Empu Suparman began as near as I can recall, in 1982, and I had been buying in Indonesia long before that and selling internationally since 1978. Empu Suparman had dealt in keris and other traditional weapons, from the late 1940's, long before he was made a kraton empu. My actual study of keris and Javanese art, history and culture began when I was about 13 or 14, my collecting interest began when I was about 12, but I first came into contact with keris much earlier than that. I am now 72.

Maurice, I appreciate your invitation to continue discussion of this sword, but I will withdraw from discussion. I believe you will be much happier with comments from people other than myself, and apart from that, there is much I could say that I am duty bound not to say--- particularly in an internet discussion group that is open to everybody in the whole world to read.

Anything I might be able to add to what I have already said would serve no purpose at all.

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Thank you for your further comments Maurice.

"Djelengga" was Ir. H. Lalu Djelengga. He is now deceased. He authored "Keris di Lombok", published by Yayasan Pusaka Selaparang, it is out of print, and probably not able to be obtained, but you might find somebody with a photocopy for sale. This is the best reference for keris and other weapons from Lombok.

The 30 years I mentioned is the approximate time I have been involved in the keris trade in Jawa. My tuition by Empu Suparman began as near as I can recall, in 1982, and I had been buying in Indonesia long before that and selling internationally since 1978. Empu Suparman had dealt in keris and other traditional weapons, from the late 1940's, long before he was made a kraton empu. My actual study of keris and Javanese art, history and culture began when I was about 13 or 14, my collecting interest began when I was about 12, but I first came into contact with keris much earlier than that. I am now 72.

Maurice, I appreciate your invitation to continue discussion of this sword, but I will withdraw from discussion. I believe you will be much happier with comments from people other than myself, and apart from that, there is much I could say that I am duty bound not to say--- particularly in an internet discussion group that is open to everybody in the whole world to read.

Anything I might be able to add to what I have already said would serve no purpose at all.

Dear Alan,

Thank you very much for your reply and your explanation of Djelengga.
Somehow I really never heard about him, and now I'm certainly going to look if I find a copy somewhere of this probably most interesting work!

It's a truly interesting history of study keris and art etc you have built up.... I really respect that a lot, and therefore I really enjoyed having our debating.
Thank you for participating, and feel free to bump in any time you want.
It's always good to have such experienced collectors/researchers around on these forums!

Regards,
Maurice

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by SwordsAntiqueWeapons

I'll share the other one in time.

Tonight I have little time for writing but wish to note that Adni of MAG notes these as "klewang from the island of Lombok", perhaps an email to Adni may reveal some further information.
All but a few of my books are now in storage along with most of the family home contents...but what does Buttin mention about these swords?

Hi Gavin,

Please do share the other one when you have some time (and if it will reach you ofcourse. ;-) ).

Thank you also for your input! I'll see what I can find out with your references!

Maurice