Montenegrin weapons

rickystl · 5th July 2013, 10:44 PM

Hello again! I don't have any blades (cold arms) that would fit the pictures you posted. But I know others on this Forum do. Hopefully they will respond to you. Thanks, Rick.

Rick · 6th July 2013, 12:21 AM

There are some unusual clipped-point swords shown in some of these engravings .

KraVseR · 6th July 2013, 06:53 AM

rickystl, if you know any weapon that was used by Montenegrin soldiers in the 19th century, let me know, please.

KraVseR · 16th July 2013, 01:00 PM

Сold weapon still remains undiagnosed...

Emanuel · 16th July 2013, 09:23 PM

Nice illustrations.

I see sabres, yataghans, biçaks, karakulaks and things like Surmene knives. A few pictures show the fanciful generic "scimitar" but the scenes look formulaic.

Emanuel

KraVseR · 17th July 2013, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emanuel

Nice illustrations.

I see sabres, yataghans, biçaks, karakulaks and things like Surmene knives. A few pictures show the fanciful generic "scimitar" but the scenes look formulaic.

Emanuel

Thank you! But what specific sabers you see?

Emanuel · 18th July 2013, 10:41 PM

A wide variety of Ottoman kilij / pala, perhaps even some karabelas, and yes Mameluke sabres as well. I see some sabres with western guards but I cannot identify specific sabre patterns. Elgood's book has a very good overview of the very large range of edged weapons available in the Balkans in that time, some in Ottoman style, some in Polish, Hungarian and Western styles. There are also many different combinations, sometimes of kilij blades with yataghan handles (like this one)

Are you asking for specific identification in each individual illustration? If so I suggest you post each photo in a separate post in this thread so we can comment on each individually. If not then search for examples of the above terms as there are many posted on this forum.

Regards,
Emanuel

5th July 2013, 10:44 PM	#1
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hello again! I don't have any blades (cold arms) that would fit the pictures you posted. But I know others on this Forum do. Hopefully they will respond to you. Thanks, Rick.

6th July 2013, 12:21 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	There are some unusual clipped-point swords shown in some of these engravings .

6th July 2013, 06:53 AM	#3
KraVseR Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ukraine Posts: 128	rickystl, if you know any weapon that was used by Montenegrin soldiers in the 19th century, let me know, please.

16th July 2013, 01:00 PM	#4
KraVseR Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ukraine Posts: 128	Сold weapon still remains undiagnosed...

16th July 2013, 09:23 PM	#5
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Nice illustrations. I see sabres, yataghans, biçaks, karakulaks and things like Surmene knives. A few pictures show the fanciful generic "scimitar" but the scenes look formulaic. Emanuel

18th July 2013, 10:41 PM	#7
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	A wide variety of Ottoman kilij / pala, perhaps even some karabelas, and yes Mameluke sabres as well. I see some sabres with western guards but I cannot identify specific sabre patterns. Elgood's book has a very good overview of the very large range of edged weapons available in the Balkans in that time, some in Ottoman style, some in Polish, Hungarian and Western styles. There are also many different combinations, sometimes of kilij blades with yataghan handles (like this one) Are you asking for specific identification in each individual illustration? If so I suggest you post each photo in a separate post in this thread so we can comment on each individually. If not then search for examples of the above terms as there are many posted on this forum. Regards, Emanuel