Balinese/Lombok pedang

VVV · 5th July 2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

I hope this image will do for now?
Just made it with my cellphone....

Maurice

Nope, I meant lower (from the ferrule and up).

Michael

PS It's from Lombok, not Sumatra.

Maurice · 5th July 2013, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Nope, I meant lower (from the ferrule and up).

Michael

PS It's from Lombok, not Sumatra.

Oh yes,....
Again with my celphone.

Thank you for noticing it's Lombok.

Maurice

CharlesS · 5th July 2013, 05:39 PM

VVV,

I am curious what about this piece assures its origin is from Lombok? Are there characteristics of it that make that a definite?

David · 5th July 2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS

VVV,

I am curious what about this piece assures its origin is from Lombok? Are there characteristics of it that make that a definite?

I am also curious what the indicators are for the origin of this piece. How would a similar pedang from Sumatra differ? It's not that i doubt Michael, but certainly it is more helpful for future considerations if we can all come to an understanding of what these indicators actually are.

If indeed these inlays are Islamic text i would agree that Bali is unlikely while Lombok is still a possibility. Thought ethnically diverse it does seem that a small majority of the inhabitants are indeed Muslim.
In any case a very nice sword.

Battara · 6th July 2013, 04:29 AM

I am with Charles in thinking this may be from Sumatra due to the Arabic. Several times "Allah" is present, perhaps in some bismallah or in Qur'anic verse. It would be better that an Arabic reader try to render some type of translation. I don't think it is jawi (though I could be wrong).

Jonno · 6th July 2013, 06:29 AM

Nice item Maurice!

My opinion, Sumatra. For sure.
The inlay can be done later, but seems to be old.
(Islamic text)

John

VVV · 6th July 2013, 07:17 AM

Most important, the original collection tag said Lombok on it. ;-)
Otherwise, the hilt is more square than the ones usually seen from Sumatra (but often seen on Lombok) and the blade has fullers. On Lombok the Sasak are Muslim.

If you look at the lower part of the hilt there is a beak and a bird face (Garuda). I suspect that this also is a Lombok-feature.
Maybe Maurice can bring it out better with new pictures?

Michael

5th July 2013, 05:39 PM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	VVV, I am curious what about this piece assures its origin is from Lombok? Are there characteristics of it that make that a definite?

6th July 2013, 04:29 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	I am with Charles in thinking this may be from Sumatra due to the Arabic. Several times "Allah" is present, perhaps in some bismallah or in Qur'anic verse. It would be better that an Arabic reader try to render some type of translation. I don't think it is jawi (though I could be wrong).

6th July 2013, 06:29 AM	#6
Jonno Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 51	Nice item Maurice! My opinion, Sumatra. For sure. The inlay can be done later, but seems to be old. (Islamic text) John

6th July 2013, 07:17 AM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Most important, the original collection tag said Lombok on it. ;-) Otherwise, the hilt is more square than the ones usually seen from Sumatra (but often seen on Lombok) and the blade has fullers. On Lombok the Sasak are Muslim. If you look at the lower part of the hilt there is a beak and a bird face (Garuda). I suspect that this also is a Lombok-feature. Maybe Maurice can bring it out better with new pictures? Michael