Asian and Australian shields

billevans · 9th June 2013, 06:24 AM

I am a new member and a serious collector of Asian and Australian Shields. I look forward to sharing information with like minded souls.

Bill

Sajen · 9th June 2013, 12:28 PM

Hi Bill,

welcome to the forum. We have meet not long ago at a other place. Hopefully you will share also pictures of your collection with us.

Best regards,

Detlef

Gavin Nugent · 9th June 2013, 03:23 PM

Welcome Bill.

I hope you enjoy your stay.

Gavin

Neil · 9th June 2013, 03:29 PM

Hi Bill,
Welcome to the forum. I am looking forward to any Chinese shield examples you might be willing to share.
Neil

RhysMichael · 9th June 2013, 04:42 PM

Welcome to the boards. I know little to nothing about shields but there are many here who will be able to have discussions with you about it and I look forward to reading and learning

VANDOO · 9th June 2013, 08:49 PM

WELCOME TO THE FORUMS, WE ALWAYS LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING NEW ITEMS FROM FELLOW COLLECTORS AND LEARNING NEW THINGS. EVEN AUSTRALIAN SHIELDS COVERS A WIDE RANGE OF TYPES STYLES AND PERIODS SO I WILL ATTEMPT TO START A POST ON THEM AS BEST I CAN. I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN THINGS AUSTRALIAN BUT HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN THEM FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AND CAN PUT FORTH QUITE A FEW PICTURES COLLECTED OVER THE YEARS. FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ANY MISTAKES I MAY MAKE OR ADD TO ANY OF MY COMMENTS.

billevans · 15th June 2013, 10:19 AM

This is my first post of photos. I hope it works. If so I will put more on soon.

billevans · 16th June 2013, 03:03 AM

I would appreciate any information regarding this shield.

VANDOO · 16th June 2013, 06:09 AM

CONGRADULATIONS

YOU HAVE SOME NICE SHIELDS. SOME VERY NICE AUSTRALIAN SHIELDS. I CAN'T HELP MUCH WITH THE OTHER SHIELDS BUT THERE IS LIMITED INFORMATION AND PICTURES ON THE POST ON AUSTRALIAN SHIELDS. FEEL FREE TO ADD TO OR CORRECT ANY INFORMATION ON THAT POST. THE THIRD SHIELD REMINDED ME OF SOME DESIGNS I HAVE SEEN FROM TORAJA.
I JUST SAW THE POST ON SHIELDS FROM TAIWAN AND YOUR EXAMPLE THERE AND NOTED SOMEONE ELSE MENTENONED TORAJA DESIGNS. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN COLLECTING AND DO YOU JUST COLLECT SHIELDS? I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MORE OF YOUR COLLECTION.

Nonoy Tan · 16th June 2013, 08:55 AM

Bill, I think the round shield has more Chinese characters at the back but not fully shown in the photograph. Those characters might provide clues of its history.

Tim Simmons · 17th June 2013, 08:21 PM

I have two of these Papuan Central Highlands bowman shields very similar to the one you have. Interesting that they are about the same size, however they are quite different. One is relatively finely carved displaying the stroke of the adze. The timber is light, the shield weighs 1.422 kg. The design on the front appears to have been painted with imported paints? I am not completely sure but the paint is certainly different or more sophisticated than earth based pigments. This shield is old probably 1960s - 1970s when traditional warfare had yet to become trade axe and shotgun to AK47. The other is much more roughly hewn as if just a thick slice split from a large timber log. This shield weighs almost twice the other example, being 2.507 kg. The shield is painted with the usual earthen pigments. Could possibly be a decade or two older.

I have yet to get an Australian shield. In spite of the fact that they are extremely common, several available on ebay each week, and traditionally made throughout the 20th century. They are so over priced as is they are rare and antique.

billevans · 18th June 2013, 04:51 AM

The answer to your question is that these two shield come from very different places. The one on the left with the more crescent shape is from the Madang area of the North Coast while the rough cut one is from the Southern Highlands

Sajen · 29th February 2024, 11:07 PM

Sadly I have to tell you that Bill Eavans, the publicator of "War Art & Ritual" deceased at Valentins Day after a long fight!
I was in contact with him over several years, rest in peace Bill!

kino · 1st March 2024, 06:47 AM

Sad news.
R.I.P. Bill Evans

I traded a Bagobo shield for this large Moro shield, with Bill many years ago.

Sajen · 1st March 2024, 09:27 AM

Bill bought several shields over the years from me, one he has published in his publication.

Pendita65 · 1st March 2024, 12:25 PM

Detlef,

you sure have a broad knowledge and keen eye to spot beautiful objects and the catalogue is beautiful but with a hefty pricetag to get sent from Australia. Sorry to read your aquintance died recent.

Sajen · 1st March 2024, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pendita65

you sure have a broad knowledge and keen eye to spot beautiful objects and the catalogue is beautiful but with a hefty pricetag to get sent from Australia. Sorry to read your aquintance died recent.

Thank you Martin! The two books are offered in the Netherlands also like a quick search showed.

Regards,
Detlef

Ren Ren · 1st March 2024, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billevans

I would appreciate any information regarding this shield.

平中 píngzhōng - justice, impartiality

The dictionary notes that this is an obsolete expression.

Unfortunately, I'm late. Let this be a small sign of respect for the memory billevans.

9th June 2013, 06:24 AM	#1
billevans Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 10	Asian and Australian shields I am a new member and a serious collector of Asian and Australian Shields. I look forward to sharing information with like minded souls. Bill

15th June 2013, 10:19 AM	#7
billevans Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 10	Some shields in my collection This is my first post of photos. I hope it works. If so I will put more on soon. Attached Images

16th June 2013, 03:03 AM	#8
billevans Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 10	chinese shield I would appreciate any information regarding this shield. Attached Images

17th June 2013, 08:21 PM	#11
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	I have two of these Papuan Central Highlands bowman shields very similar to the one you have. Interesting that they are about the same size, however they are quite different. One is relatively finely carved displaying the stroke of the adze. The timber is light, the shield weighs 1.422 kg. The design on the front appears to have been painted with imported paints? I am not completely sure but the paint is certainly different or more sophisticated than earth based pigments. This shield is old probably 1960s - 1970s when traditional warfare had yet to become trade axe and shotgun to AK47. The other is much more roughly hewn as if just a thick slice split from a large timber log. This shield weighs almost twice the other example, being 2.507 kg. The shield is painted with the usual earthen pigments. Could possibly be a decade or two older. I have yet to get an Australian shield. In spite of the fact that they are extremely common, several available on ebay each week, and traditionally made throughout the 20th century. They are so over priced as is they are rare and antique. Attached Images

18th June 2013, 04:51 AM	#12
billevans Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 10	underarm shields The answer to your question is that these two shield come from very different places. The one on the left with the more crescent shape is from the Madang area of the North Coast while the rough cut one is from the Southern Highlands

9th June 2013, 12:28 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hi Bill, welcome to the forum. We have meet not long ago at a other place. Hopefully you will share also pictures of your collection with us. Best regards, Detlef

9th June 2013, 03:23 PM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Welcome Bill. I hope you enjoy your stay. Gavin

9th June 2013, 03:29 PM	#4
Neil Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 109	Hi Bill, Welcome to the forum. I am looking forward to any Chinese shield examples you might be willing to share. Neil

9th June 2013, 04:42 PM	#5
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Welcome to the boards. I know little to nothing about shields but there are many here who will be able to have discussions with you about it and I look forward to reading and learning

9th June 2013, 08:49 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	WELCOME TO THE FORUMS, WE ALWAYS LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING NEW ITEMS FROM FELLOW COLLECTORS AND LEARNING NEW THINGS. EVEN AUSTRALIAN SHIELDS COVERS A WIDE RANGE OF TYPES STYLES AND PERIODS SO I WILL ATTEMPT TO START A POST ON THEM AS BEST I CAN. I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN THINGS AUSTRALIAN BUT HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN THEM FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AND CAN PUT FORTH QUITE A FEW PICTURES COLLECTED OVER THE YEARS. FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ANY MISTAKES I MAY MAKE OR ADD TO ANY OF MY COMMENTS.

16th June 2013, 06:09 AM	#9
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	CONGRADULATIONS YOU HAVE SOME NICE SHIELDS. SOME VERY NICE AUSTRALIAN SHIELDS. I CAN'T HELP MUCH WITH THE OTHER SHIELDS BUT THERE IS LIMITED INFORMATION AND PICTURES ON THE POST ON AUSTRALIAN SHIELDS. FEEL FREE TO ADD TO OR CORRECT ANY INFORMATION ON THAT POST. THE THIRD SHIELD REMINDED ME OF SOME DESIGNS I HAVE SEEN FROM TORAJA. I JUST SAW THE POST ON SHIELDS FROM TAIWAN AND YOUR EXAMPLE THERE AND NOTED SOMEONE ELSE MENTENONED TORAJA DESIGNS. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN COLLECTING AND DO YOU JUST COLLECT SHIELDS? I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MORE OF YOUR COLLECTION.

16th June 2013, 08:55 AM	#10
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	Bill, I think the round shield has more Chinese characters at the back but not fully shown in the photograph. Those characters might provide clues of its history.

29th February 2024, 11:07 PM	#13
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Sadly I have to tell you that Bill Eavans, the publicator of "War Art & Ritual" deceased at Valentins Day after a long fight! I was in contact with him over several years, rest in peace Bill! Attached Images

1st March 2024, 06:47 AM	#14
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,002	Sad news. R.I.P. Bill Evans I traded a Bagobo shield for this large Moro shield, with Bill many years ago. Attached Images

1st March 2024, 09:27 AM	#15
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Bill bought several shields over the years from me, one he has published in his publication. Attached Images

1st March 2024, 12:25 PM	#16
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 99	Detlef, you sure have a broad knowledge and keen eye to spot beautiful objects and the catalogue is beautiful but with a hefty pricetag to get sent from Australia. Sorry to read your aquintance died recent.