lobster-tail helmet for comment

[Cerjak]

estcrh,

This is the text from the book
Regards
Cerjak

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Cerjak

estcrh,

This is the text from the book
Regards
Cerjak

Cerjak, thanks, quite a mystery, I wonder why the authors include such a helmet in their book if it was so obviously problematic?

[Cerjak]

yes it is strange this book seems serious and the example showed inside came from museum collection !
The full description is :
Müller, Heinrich; Kunter, Fritz
Europäische Helme aus der Sammlung des Museums für Deutsche Geschichte

and I bought this book with the good advice from Michael (matchlock) !
So must be a good book !

[A Senefelder]

The book is very good and well worth the money, but museums do emd up displaying old copies on occasion . I know one armourer, now pretty much retired, who was asked by The Met to register his various marks he used over the years with them as they came very close to displaying his work as original a good number of years back as they believed it to be original until some one in the restoration staff recognized the makers mark on it.

The helmet set/group whatever you prefer to call it ( i've seen them on the market for the better part of ten years I'd guess ) may in fact even be originals, or at least assembled in whole or in part from original elements. The consistan occurance of some thing so fundamnetal to the construction of the helmet as having the cheek plates installed backwards on every one i've encountered, including the example I used to own ( the one that set me to wondering to begin with ) is something that would and did simply lead me to wonder if in fact they were, original, or assembled from old elements for sale ( a common practice in 19th century and earlier 20th century auction houses. I owned at one time an arm and spaulder assembled from the rebrace of a later 15th century arm, riveted to a 1520's-1530's maximillian spaulder, that had been reassembled missing a lame ) or possibly well done reproductions. Any could be possible and my opinion is far from hard fact, but based on my time as a hammerman and collector it was what I was set to wonder.

[BerberDagger]

A 19th century copy ( most probably later I known from some times ) , they seems to come from Germany French area all .... very well made and could put on bad road all the collectors ...

Obiuvsly the french auction house was made a joke , the helmet is clear german, polish or of the east european form .

here an identical I had : (sorry i made copy on the browser )

German Zischagge helmet in the style of 1600 c.ca 19th century - SOLD -

German Zischagge helmet in the style of 1600 c.ca 19th century - SOLD -

Categories: Recently Sold items

here the link: http://www.chinaglialorenzo.com/prod...IBILE+++&cl=1&

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by BerberDagger

A 19th century copy ( most probably later I known from some times ) , they seems to come from Germany French area all .... very well made and could put on bad road all the collectors ...

Obiuvsly the french auction house was made a joke , the helmet is clear german, polish or of the east european form .

here an identical I had : (sorry i made copy on the browser )

German Zischagge helmet in the style of 1600 c.ca 19th century - SOLD -

German Zischagge helmet in the style of 1600 c.ca 19th century - SOLD -

Categories: Recently Sold items

here the link: http://www.chinaglialorenzo.com/prod...IBILE+++&cl=1&

BerberDagger, the link says this

Elmo da ussaro - Germania orientale - nello stile del XVII Secolo - NON DISPONIBILE -

(Elmo hussar - East Germany - in the style of the XVII Century - NOT AVAILABLE -)

Were does it mention 19th century?

[A Senefelder]

in the style of the XVII Century

" In the style of " is code for reproduction or copy. Typically this referes to an older often Victorian era copy so it will have some age in its own right but it is usually refering to reporduction non the less.