lobster-tail helmet for comment

estcrh · 8th June 2013, 08:30 AM

I have been trying to find examples of this type online but no luck until now. Here is another one with the same look, it it possible that they were restored / reassembled from a group sometime in the past rather than being fakes.

A Senefelder · 8th June 2013, 03:01 PM

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I have been trying to find examples of this type online but no luck until now. Here is another one with the same look, it it possible that they were restored / reassembled from a group sometime in the past rather than being fakes.

Estcrh, whilst this is not out of the realm of possiblity, the consistancy of the occurance of the reversed cheeck plates ( every example of these i've ever seen, including every one posted here ) in addition to the visible seam in both Jeans and the example I used to own as well as the universal leathers always preserved in the tail assmbley and cheek plates but not in the bowl of the helmets makes me suspicious of origin. The uniformity of these occurances is in keeping with modern mass production/assembley line mistakes and gives me pause. This photostream ( this fella REALLY has a thing for zischagges ) has examples with the cheek plates correctly installed http://www.flickr.com/photos/8203475@N02/

Cerjak · 8th June 2013, 04:08 PM

Dear Allan

Your analyse is realy logical ...
I had again a look in MULLER KUNTER Europaische Helme book's where there is one example with the cheek plates like mine !
Anyway your analys is still logical.

Regards

Cerjak

estcrh · 8th June 2013, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerjak

Dear Allan

Your analyse is realy logical ...
I had again a look in MULLER KUNTER Europaische Helme book's where there is one example with the cheek plates like mine !
Anyway your analys is still logical.

Regards

Cerjak

Cerjak, thats very interesting, is there any text on the helmet pictured in your book.

Cerjak · 9th June 2013, 12:47 PM

estcrh,

This is the text from the book
Regards
Cerjak

estcrh · 9th June 2013, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerjak

estcrh,

This is the text from the book
Regards
Cerjak

Cerjak, thanks, quite a mystery, I wonder why the authors include such a helmet in their book if it was so obviously problematic?

Cerjak · 11th June 2013, 04:45 PM

yes it is strange this book seems serious and the example showed inside came from museum collection !
The full description is :
Müller, Heinrich; Kunter, Fritz
Europäische Helme aus der Sammlung des Museums für Deutsche Geschichte

and I bought this book with the good advice from Michael (matchlock) !
So must be a good book !

8th June 2013, 08:30 AM	#1
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,492	I have been trying to find examples of this type online but no luck until now. Here is another one with the same look, it it possible that they were restored / reassembled from a group sometime in the past rather than being fakes. Attached Images

8th June 2013, 04:08 PM	#3
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	MULLER KUNTER Europaische Helme Dear Allan Your analyse is realy logical ... I had again a look in MULLER KUNTER Europaische Helme book's where there is one example with the cheek plates like mine ! Anyway your analys is still logical. Regards Cerjak Attached Images

9th June 2013, 12:47 PM	#5
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	estcrh, This is the text from the book Regards Cerjak Attached Images

11th June 2013, 04:45 PM	#7
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	yes it is strange this book seems serious and the example showed inside came from museum collection ! The full description is : Müller, Heinrich; Kunter, Fritz Europäische Helme aus der Sammlung des Museums für Deutsche Geschichte and I bought this book with the good advice from Michael (matchlock) ! So must be a good book !