Indian Pesh-Kabz for comment

ariel · 7th May 2013, 03:49 PM

There was a discussion once on another forum about afghani chooras.
One person put forward a proposition that choora was a direct descendant of the karud, adapted for softer clothes, at the time whan chainmail went out of fashion ( or use). Thus, he claimed that all chooras date from the 20th century, supporting this assertion by the lack of iconographic evidence of their existence in the 19th cen. drawings or photographs.

Since the object in question obviously belongs to the choora/karud group as based on the configuration of its blade, this assertion is very relevant to the topic of this discussion.

My question: any examples of documented chooras from the 19th century or earlier? Any iconography of the 19th century?

CharlesS · 7th May 2013, 04:14 PM

Is anyone else seeing the porous nature of the hilt scales....might this be bone, rather than ivory?

sandeepsingh · 12th May 2013, 06:27 PM

Hi,
Grip is ivory and seems to be Indian.
It may be influenced from afghan pesh-Kabz form.
Thanks
Sandeep

mahratt · 12th May 2013, 09:10 PM

I believe that this is an item from Afghanistan. Late 19th century - beginning of the 20th century. Bone handle - not an ivory (elephant tusk), and the usual bone (such as the legs of the animal)

Rick · 12th May 2013, 09:16 PM

I tend to agree with mahratt; this was not an expensive dagger when new so I doubt it would warrant ivory scales .

sandeepsingh · 13th May 2013, 04:19 PM

Generally crack type linings comes in ivory but i didn't no that such crack type lining comes in bone also.

ariel · 13th May 2013, 06:37 PM

One can see short longitudinal dark lines: these are periosteal blood vessels.
To simplify: bone. Not ivory.

7th May 2013, 03:49 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	There was a discussion once on another forum about afghani chooras. One person put forward a proposition that choora was a direct descendant of the karud, adapted for softer clothes, at the time whan chainmail went out of fashion ( or use). Thus, he claimed that all chooras date from the 20th century, supporting this assertion by the lack of iconographic evidence of their existence in the 19th cen. drawings or photographs. Since the object in question obviously belongs to the choora/karud group as based on the configuration of its blade, this assertion is very relevant to the topic of this discussion. My question: any examples of documented chooras from the 19th century or earlier? Any iconography of the 19th century?

7th May 2013, 04:14 PM	#2
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Is anyone else seeing the porous nature of the hilt scales....might this be bone, rather than ivory?

12th May 2013, 06:27 PM	#3
sandeepsingh Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: India Posts: 85	Hi, Grip is ivory and seems to be Indian. It may be influenced from afghan pesh-Kabz form. Thanks Sandeep

12th May 2013, 09:10 PM	#4
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	I believe that this is an item from Afghanistan. Late 19th century - beginning of the 20th century. Bone handle - not an ivory (elephant tusk), and the usual bone (such as the legs of the animal)

12th May 2013, 09:16 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I tend to agree with mahratt; this was not an expensive dagger when new so I doubt it would warrant ivory scales .

13th May 2013, 04:19 PM	#6
sandeepsingh Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: India Posts: 85	Generally crack type linings comes in ivory but i didn't no that such crack type lining comes in bone also.

13th May 2013, 06:37 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	One can see short longitudinal dark lines: these are periosteal blood vessels. To simplify: bone. Not ivory.