sword for id

thinreadline · 10th April 2013, 01:07 AM

Its got to be a hybrid, maybe the 2 parts are genuine in their own right , but I dont think they ever belonged together.

Jim McDougall · 10th April 2013, 03:43 AM

Chris, thank you so much for the kind note!!!

Saw the Winnebago light, but you guys already nailed this one.
I think I recall the swords of the world or whatever it was, think it was a guy in Missouri?

Mole indeed did contract for Wilkinson, and with many swords destined for India...Ive seen many forms.....but this...nooo! I believe Mole was bought by Wilkinson about 1921.
The Mole name did occur on blades, but never on the forte, always on the back of the blade. The WD (=war dept.) was often stamped, but never with the MOLE name. This one is quite creative, cant help but think that blade looks like an Imperial Prussian officers sword with scabbard, the hilt as has been noted one of the hospital, cutlass swords with cast iron grips.

Thanks again Chris!

All the best,
Jim

laEspadaAncha · 10th April 2013, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Chris, thank you so much for the kind note!!!

Saw the Winnebago light, but you guys already nailed this one.
I think I recall the swords of the world or whatever it was, think it was a guy in Missouri?

Mole indeed did contract for Wilkinson, and with many swords destined for India...Ive seen many forms.....but this...nooo! I believe Mole was bought by Wilkinson about 1921.
The Mole name did occur on blades, but never on the forte, always on the back of the blade. The WD (=war dept.) was often stamped, but never with the MOLE name. This one is quite creative, cant help but think that blade looks like an Imperial Prussian officers sword with scabbard, the hilt as has been noted one of the hospital, cutlass swords with cast iron grips.

Thanks again Chris!

All the best,
Jim

CutlassCollector · 10th April 2013, 12:56 PM

I agree with the composite theory.
I know cutlasses are a little different but Mole stamped it's name together with Birmingham on the 1900 model Naval cutlass on the blade. See picture. And Wilkinson and London were stamped on the blade for it's version of the 1900 model. In both cases the spine held the last two digits of the year. Both had the arrow and inspectors mark + the X indicating the direction of the bend test. CC

A Senefelder · 10th April 2013, 01:09 PM

I agree that this is some sort of composite piece. I wanted only to note that the straight blade and the particular curvature of the hilt and the angle at which its set to the blade put me in mind of the Patton 1913 and its very close english cousin. The set of the hilt in relation to the blade puts the sword in a perfectly straight line with the arm when the arm is extended in the same manner as the 1913 does for use " running through " an opponent in a cavalry charge ( according to the cavalry doctrine of the pre WWI era ). May not be of any significance at all, just something I noticed.

Jim McDougall · 10th April 2013, 09:27 PM

LOL! Chris, thats priceless!!!

Good call Alan, I had completely forgotten about the British M1908, and that would nicely explain the MOLE stamp in that location, though most of these I have seen were stamped Wilkinson. Since Mole was in effect working with Wilkinson at that time for the India dept. seems quite plausible.

As noted also, the high tierce position in arm straight in cavalry charge would be well noted.

10th April 2013, 12:56 PM	#4
CutlassCollector Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Scotland Posts: 369	I agree with the composite theory. I know cutlasses are a little different but Mole stamped it's name together with Birmingham on the 1900 model Naval cutlass on the blade. See picture. And Wilkinson and London were stamped on the blade for it's version of the 1900 model. In both cases the spine held the last two digits of the year. Both had the arrow and inspectors mark + the X indicating the direction of the bend test. CC Attached Images

10th April 2013, 01:07 AM	#1
thinreadline Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wirral Posts: 1,204	Its got to be a hybrid, maybe the 2 parts are genuine in their own right , but I dont think they ever belonged together.

10th April 2013, 03:43 AM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,693	Chris, thank you so much for the kind note!!! Saw the Winnebago light, but you guys already nailed this one. I think I recall the swords of the world or whatever it was, think it was a guy in Missouri? Mole indeed did contract for Wilkinson, and with many swords destined for India...Ive seen many forms.....but this...nooo! I believe Mole was bought by Wilkinson about 1921. The Mole name did occur on blades, but never on the forte, always on the back of the blade. The WD (=war dept.) was often stamped, but never with the MOLE name. This one is quite creative, cant help but think that blade looks like an Imperial Prussian officers sword with scabbard, the hilt as has been noted one of the hospital, cutlass swords with cast iron grips. Thanks again Chris! All the best, Jim

10th April 2013, 01:09 PM	#5
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	I agree that this is some sort of composite piece. I wanted only to note that the straight blade and the particular curvature of the hilt and the angle at which its set to the blade put me in mind of the Patton 1913 and its very close english cousin. The set of the hilt in relation to the blade puts the sword in a perfectly straight line with the arm when the arm is extended in the same manner as the 1913 does for use " running through " an opponent in a cavalry charge ( according to the cavalry doctrine of the pre WWI era ). May not be of any significance at all, just something I noticed.

10th April 2013, 09:27 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,693	LOL! Chris, thats priceless!!! Good call Alan, I had completely forgotten about the British M1908, and that would nicely explain the MOLE stamp in that location, though most of these I have seen were stamped Wilkinson. Since Mole was in effect working with Wilkinson at that time for the India dept. seems quite plausible. As noted also, the high tierce position in arm straight in cavalry charge would be well noted.