sword for id

thinreadline · 9th April 2013, 07:48 AM

It is certainly not 'right' , it is not a British sword despite WD & Mole, and although I believe Mole did make swords under contract, theses would NOT be marked WD obviously . I agree with laEspadaAncha about its origins ... but would add that the kindest interpretation is that it a composite mismatch of hilt and blade . I recall in the early 1970s World Wide Arms used to have for sale all sorts of weird stuff of recent manufacture in India and lots of it had spurious 'Mole' or 'Manton' markings but were mere fantasy pieces. As time progressed they got better at it !

CutlassCollector · 9th April 2013, 01:38 PM

It's an odd looking combination of blade and hilt. The hilt looks similar to, or a copy of, a 19th century coastguard cutlass with the quillion removed. Same hilt with short curved cutlass blade - see photos.
There is also an Army Hospital Corps sword with a similar hilt/guard in Harvey Withers's World Sword's. CC

Cerjak · 9th April 2013, 02:42 PM

Yes it is Exact ,now I can see that the quillon was broken and it's why we can see a difference of color in the hilt.( you could see it in the picture with Mole marks)
I don't think that it is a copy but a sword with damaged hilt.
Thank you for your help

Cerjak

CutlassCollector · 9th April 2013, 09:05 PM

Hi Cerjak, pleased to be able to help. Can't help with the blade though.
Mine is a cutlass - see picture and the Hospital Corps sword blade is not like your blade either - one can be viewed at antiquearmsandarmour.com
CC

thinreadline · 10th April 2013, 12:07 AM

Its got to be a hybrid, maybe the 2 parts are genuine in their own right , but I dont think they ever belonged together.

Jim McDougall · 10th April 2013, 02:43 AM

Chris, thank you so much for the kind note!!!

Saw the Winnebago light, but you guys already nailed this one.
I think I recall the swords of the world or whatever it was, think it was a guy in Missouri?

Mole indeed did contract for Wilkinson, and with many swords destined for India...Ive seen many forms.....but this...nooo! I believe Mole was bought by Wilkinson about 1921.
The Mole name did occur on blades, but never on the forte, always on the back of the blade. The WD (=war dept.) was often stamped, but never with the MOLE name. This one is quite creative, cant help but think that blade looks like an Imperial Prussian officers sword with scabbard, the hilt as has been noted one of the hospital, cutlass swords with cast iron grips.

Thanks again Chris!

All the best,
Jim

laEspadaAncha · 10th April 2013, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Chris, thank you so much for the kind note!!!

Saw the Winnebago light, but you guys already nailed this one.
I think I recall the swords of the world or whatever it was, think it was a guy in Missouri?

Mole indeed did contract for Wilkinson, and with many swords destined for India...Ive seen many forms.....but this...nooo! I believe Mole was bought by Wilkinson about 1921.
The Mole name did occur on blades, but never on the forte, always on the back of the blade. The WD (=war dept.) was often stamped, but never with the MOLE name. This one is quite creative, cant help but think that blade looks like an Imperial Prussian officers sword with scabbard, the hilt as has been noted one of the hospital, cutlass swords with cast iron grips.

Thanks again Chris!

All the best,
Jim

9th April 2013, 01:38 PM	#2
CutlassCollector Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Scotland Posts: 366	It's an odd looking combination of blade and hilt. The hilt looks similar to, or a copy of, a 19th century coastguard cutlass with the quillion removed. Same hilt with short curved cutlass blade - see photos. There is also an Army Hospital Corps sword with a similar hilt/guard in Harvey Withers's World Sword's. CC Attached Images

9th April 2013, 09:05 PM	#4
CutlassCollector Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Scotland Posts: 366	Hi Cerjak, pleased to be able to help. Can't help with the blade though. Mine is a cutlass - see picture and the Hospital Corps sword blade is not like your blade either - one can be viewed at antiquearmsandarmour.com CC Attached Images

9th April 2013, 07:48 AM	#1
thinreadline Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wirral Posts: 1,204	It is certainly not 'right' , it is not a British sword despite WD & Mole, and although I believe Mole did make swords under contract, theses would NOT be marked WD obviously . I agree with laEspadaAncha about its origins ... but would add that the kindest interpretation is that it a composite mismatch of hilt and blade . I recall in the early 1970s World Wide Arms used to have for sale all sorts of weird stuff of recent manufacture in India and lots of it had spurious 'Mole' or 'Manton' markings but were mere fantasy pieces. As time progressed they got better at it !

9th April 2013, 02:42 PM	#3
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Yes it is Exact ,now I can see that the quillon was broken and it's why we can see a difference of color in the hilt.( you could see it in the picture with Mole marks) I don't think that it is a copy but a sword with damaged hilt. Thank you for your help Cerjak

10th April 2013, 12:07 AM	#5
thinreadline Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wirral Posts: 1,204	Its got to be a hybrid, maybe the 2 parts are genuine in their own right , but I dont think they ever belonged together.

10th April 2013, 02:43 AM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,474	Chris, thank you so much for the kind note!!! Saw the Winnebago light, but you guys already nailed this one. I think I recall the swords of the world or whatever it was, think it was a guy in Missouri? Mole indeed did contract for Wilkinson, and with many swords destined for India...Ive seen many forms.....but this...nooo! I believe Mole was bought by Wilkinson about 1921. The Mole name did occur on blades, but never on the forte, always on the back of the blade. The WD (=war dept.) was often stamped, but never with the MOLE name. This one is quite creative, cant help but think that blade looks like an Imperial Prussian officers sword with scabbard, the hilt as has been noted one of the hospital, cutlass swords with cast iron grips. Thanks again Chris! All the best, Jim