Golok?

Flavio · 12th September 2005, 10:37 PM

Hello everyone! I don't know nothing about weapons of south-east Asia, but i'd like to buy a Java golok that i have already seen. Could you post some pictures of your golok and tell me wich are the most important characteristics of this kind of weapon? Thank you very much.

Rick · 12th September 2005, 10:45 PM

Hi Flavio , Goloks come in many forms .
Here is one from Jawa .

VVV · 12th September 2005, 11:43 PM

Ciao Flavio,

Here are some more examples.

Michael

Flavio · 13th September 2005, 12:16 AM

Thank you very much Michael and Rick. Rick the one that i have seen has an handle like yours. What are the age of these goloks? Thanks

Rick · 13th September 2005, 01:20 AM

Generally turn of the century to 1930's or so Flavio .
Mine is not dated though many are .
They seem to be getting scarcer in the market of late .

kai · 13th September 2005, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Generally turn of the century to 1930's or so Flavio.

(caveat emptor mode on)
There are quite a few contemporary pieces floating around, especially with the more flamboyant hilts. Some with new but artificially aged/corroded pamor blades, too.

Of course, very cheap workhorses can also be bought at local markets since the majority are agricultural tools. These do come with a hardened edge and are great users.

The usual recommendations apply if you seek genuine vintage or antique goloks...

Regards,
Kai

jmings · 14th September 2005, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Hi Flavio , Goloks come in many forms .
Here is one from Jawa .

Quite impressive and beautiful. Do you have the dimensions?

Rick · 14th September 2005, 03:36 PM

Hi Jerry ,
The golok itself ; 13" blade , 19.25" oa marked Tjikeroeh .
This one has been in a tussle as it bears defensive nicks on the spine and flat of the blade and scabbard . I replaced the scabbard lug as it was missing when I bought it years ago on ebay .

Agree with Kai there are goloks still being mf'd. in Jawa today .
Valiant Co. out of Oz carried them plus many other types of swords from the area ; I think they may have gone out of business though .

www.valiantco.com

Look under Java

Spunjer · 5th October 2005, 05:24 PM

hi
i believe this is similar, no? just came off eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6565657539

is this a contemporary type or an older one???

VVV · 5th October 2005, 06:55 PM

Hi Spunjer,

Looks like the older one to me.
Great find for whoever that bought it.

Michael

Spunjer · 6th October 2005, 02:29 PM

thanks

....

Spunjer · 30th November 2005, 12:58 PM

here's the golok:

dimensions:
total length (in scabbard)= 26"
total length (sword only)= 23.5"
blade= 17.5"
handle= 6"

Rick · 30th November 2005, 05:21 PM

Nice one !
Dated 192?
Often these are found without the scabbard lug .
I had to make a replacement for my example .
Really nice engraving ; I like the star pattern .

Spunjer · 30th November 2005, 10:55 PM

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Dated 192?
Often these are found without the scabbard lug .

rick,

in regards with the date, i was thinking more in the line of 1892, perhaps? and what's a scabbard lug?

i do like the engravings on the spine, tho; very ornated sword overall...

Rick · 30th November 2005, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

rick,

in regards with the date, i was thinking more in the line of 1892, perhaps? and what's a scabbard lug?

i do like the engravings on the spine, tho; very ornated sword overall...

As for the date I was going on the assumption that often the first number in a date is left off or represented by a dot in muslim cultures .

Second I'm really not sure what the native term for that projection on the side of your scabbard is so I refer to it as a 'lug' .

Ian · 1st December 2005, 03:23 AM

Rick:

I believe the "lug" to which you refer is called a scabbard slide.

Ian.

Rick · 1st December 2005, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Rick:

I believe the "lug" to which you refer is called a scabbard slide.

Ian.

Ahh , thanks Ian !
Scabbard slide it is .

Spunjer · 1st December 2005, 11:08 PM

Quote:

As for the date I was going on the assumption that often the first number in a date is left off or represented by a dot in muslim cultures .

wasn't aware of that, rick. thank you...

Rick · 2nd December 2005, 01:47 AM

Spunjer , I'm not saying my assumption is anything other than that ; I could well be wrong .

When you look at arabic dates on Indo Persian stuff often the first number is marked this way ; so putting two and two together led me to believe that this could be true for swords made in a Muslim nation but dated in different numerals .
YMMV ...

The town where your sword was made is now known for the pellet guns they manufacture ; interesting , no ?

12th September 2005, 10:37 PM	#1
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Golok? Hello everyone! I don't know nothing about weapons of south-east Asia, but i'd like to buy a Java golok that i have already seen. Could you post some pictures of your golok and tell me wich are the most important characteristics of this kind of weapon? Thank you very much.

12th September 2005, 10:45 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Hi Flavio , Goloks come in many forms . Here is one from Jawa . Attached Images

12th September 2005, 11:43 PM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Ciao Flavio, Here are some more examples. Michael Attached Images

14th September 2005, 03:36 PM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Hi Jerry , The golok itself ; 13" blade , 19.25" oa marked Tjikeroeh . This one has been in a tussle as it bears defensive nicks on the spine and flat of the blade and scabbard . I replaced the scabbard lug as it was missing when I bought it years ago on ebay . Agree with Kai there are goloks still being mf'd. in Jawa today . Valiant Co. out of Oz carried them plus many other types of swords from the area ; I think they may have gone out of business though . www.valiantco.com Look under Java Last edited by Rick; 14th September 2005 at 04:58 PM.

5th October 2005, 05:24 PM	#9
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	hi i believe this is similar, no? just came off eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6565657539 is this a contemporary type or an older one??? Last edited by Spunjer; 5th October 2005 at 05:43 PM.

13th September 2005, 12:16 AM	#4
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you very much Michael and Rick. Rick the one that i have seen has an handle like yours. What are the age of these goloks? Thanks

13th September 2005, 01:20 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Generally turn of the century to 1930's or so Flavio . Mine is not dated though many are . They seem to be getting scarcer in the market of late .

5th October 2005, 06:55 PM	#10
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Spunjer, Looks like the older one to me. Great find for whoever that bought it. Michael

6th October 2005, 02:29 PM	#11
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	thanks ....

30th November 2005, 12:58 PM	#12
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	here's the golok: dimensions: total length (in scabbard)= 26" total length (sword only)= 23.5" blade= 17.5" handle= 6" Attached Images

30th November 2005, 05:21 PM	#13
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Nice one ! Dated 192? Often these are found without the scabbard lug . I had to make a replacement for my example . Really nice engraving ; I like the star pattern .

1st December 2005, 03:23 AM	#16
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,203	Rick: I believe the "lug" to which you refer is called a scabbard slide. Ian.

2nd December 2005, 01:47 AM	#19
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Spunjer , I'm not saying my assumption is anything other than that ; I could well be wrong . When you look at arabic dates on Indo Persian stuff often the first number is marked this way ; so putting two and two together led me to believe that this could be true for swords made in a Muslim nation but dated in different numerals . YMMV ... The town where your sword was made is now known for the pellet guns they manufacture ; interesting , no ?