Yemeni Sayfs? Omani Kattaras?

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Salaams Ibrahiim. I agree with your comment about the silver collar being fragile in combat, but we are of course assuming that it was always there. My thinking is that it was possibly added later, perhaps to embellish the sword for dress wear rather than combat use. Either way, it obviously belongs to the particlar hilt, as it fits snugly. As you will be aware, many swords are "dressed up" so that they look impressive when worn.
Stu

Salaams kahnjar1 Yes agreed on the later addition of the silver collar adornment which is completely in keeping with add-ons to weapons of the region.

On reflection it could simply be a clever later add-on to better secure the sword in its scabbard.

I think the region is the area in Saudia that was once Yemen and from which Habaabi (the main city) gives its name to the dagger "The Habaabi". The main port is Jazzan. From the viewpoint of Ethnographic Arms I think this region is timelocked.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams kahnjar1 Yes agreed on the later addition of the silver collar adornment which is completely in keeping with add-ons to weapons of the region.

On reflection it could simply be a clever later add-on to better secure the sword in its scabbard.

I think the region is the area in Saudia that was once Yemen and from which Habaabi (the main city) gives its name to the dagger "The Habaabi". The main port is Jazzan. From the viewpoint of Ethnographic Arms I think this region is timelocked.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Salaams Ibrahiim, I note that you have refered to Habaabi as a region/city a number of times in various posts you have made.
Can you please post a map showing this region/city, as any time I have GOOGLEd it, there is no reference to any such place.
Stu

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Salaams Ibrahiim, I note that you have refered to Habaabi as a region/city a number of times in various posts you have made.
Can you please post a map showing this region/city, as any time I have GOOGLEd it, there is no reference to any such place.
Stu

Salaams kahnjar1 ~ It was indeed a very tricky place to pin down not least because of the spurious indicators on the web and its seemingly mythical situation, however, it is in fact south west of Ta' izz between there and the Red Sea coast. I will make that very clear it is in Yemen. Hababi city appears to have given its name to the dagger of an extensive region which after about 1920 was incorporated into Saudi Arabia (The Asir border region etc) Clearly the whole region now stradles both borders ..The map of the region is at http://mapcarta.com/12505012 but there is very little detail other than some stuff I posted on The Omani Khanjar site and which I have now corrected.
I believe Jazan was a major contributor to Muscat/ Yemen / Arabia trade in history and was a key stop on the trade route to Zanzibar and Africa. Moreover it would have been a major drop off point connecting to the massive camel trains going north since the prevailing almost 24/7 and year round winds prevailed from almost due North preventing sailing ships from accessing direct to Ports in the North.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams kahnjar1 ~ It was indeed a very tricky place to pin down not least because of the spurious indicators on the web and its seemingly mythical situation, however, it is in fact south west of Ta' izz between there and the Red Sea coast. I will make that very clear it is in Yemen. Hababi city appears to have given its name to the dagger of an extensive region which after about 1920 was incorporated into Saudi Arabia (The Asir border region etc) Clearly the whole region now stradles both borders ..The map of the region is at http://mapcarta.com/12505012 but there is very little detail other than some stuff I posted on The Omani Khanjar site and which I have now corrected.
I believe Jazan was a major contributor to Muscat/ Yemen / Arabia trade in history and was a key stop on the trade route to Zanzibar and Africa. Moreover it would have been a major drop off point connecting to the massive camel trains going north since the prevailing almost 24/7 and year round winds prevailed from almost due North preventing sailing ships from accessing direct to Ports in the North.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

......so Al Hababi is somewhat of a MYTHICAL place then ?? To keep THIS thread on line, I have posted a new thread....Saudia Jambia for Identification.... This item was previously identified by you as Habaabi.
Stu

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

......so Al Hababi is somewhat of a MYTHICAL place then ?? To keep THIS thread on line, I have posted a new thread....Saudia Jambia for Identification.... This item was previously identified by you as Habaabi.
Stu

Salaams kahnjar1,
No I dont express doubts to its existence... and No it exists ...see the map. http://mapcarta.com/12505012 and there are now others at recent posts .. The items (daggers and I don't know what they call them down there I assume Jambia) are called Habaabi in Oman with a long aa ... from the area covered by the city of Hababi... and which appears to encompass a large swathe of the territory even up to the ASIR and on both sides of the border; Saudia and Yemen. Certainly that entire area in the heel of the Yemen would have been trading via the Red Sea ports with Oman and Zanzibar etc.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[David]

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Salaams Ibrahiim, I note that you have refered to Habaabi as a region/city a number of times in various posts you have made.
Can you please post a map showing this region/city, as any time I have GOOGLEd it, there is no reference to any such place.
Stu

There is a city apparently called Al Hababi SW of Ta'izz. Is this the place you refer to?
http://www.newstrackindia.com/inform...-al-hababi.htm

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by David

There is a city apparently called Al Hababi SW of Ta'izz. Is this the place you refer to?
http://www.newstrackindia.com/inform...-al-hababi.htm

....maybe...... but I find it interesting that there appears to be no road or ACTUAL place named as per other nearby towns.....
I find it difficult to believe that an apparently non named town has given its name to a particular dagger style........but then I am not a resident of the area.....
Ibrahiim himself expresses doubt as to the actual placement of the town/city....