Deop Gunsmith Family of Catalonia

Fernando K · 8th February 2013, 09:05 PM

Dana:

I do not understand. I have photocopias.........

Fernando K

dana_w · 9th February 2013, 02:42 AM

Do you own “Diccionario Biografico de Artistas de Cataluna, desde la epoca romana hasta nuestros días” Fernando K?

If not, I will be glad to look up anything for you.

Fernando K · 9th February 2013, 10:46 AM

Dear Dana:

No. Thank you. I can, if desired, to improve a translation

Sincerely, Fernando K

fernando · 9th February 2013, 02:12 PM

I Guess Fernando K translating engine has betrayed him

.
Pedrenyal is a flintlock gun (a sort of big pistol).
Serraller, like Panyetaire, is a lock smith; only that serraller is a more generic name.
If you pick one or two of those Diop guys, i may translate what the book says about them.

fernando · 9th February 2013, 02:24 PM

Augusti Deop. Master lock smith from 1700’s Ripoll. Recorded between 1720 - 1750 in the archives of Ripoll Ethnographic Museum. His mark (punzon) may be seen in the lock of flint pistol (pedrenal) nr. 25678 of the inventory of the Board of Barcelona Museums.

dana_w · 9th February 2013, 02:56 PM

Thanks for the help Fernando and Fernando K. I probably shouldn't have put so much information up at once.

Living here in Florida I know many people who speak Spanish, but they are not familiar with the lexicon of Arms and Armor.

Fernando K · 9th February 2013, 06:44 PM

essionar una palanca.

A Catalunya se lánomena pedrenyal, se le coneix ben aviat i adopta formes particulars i definedes, que el diferencien dels seus equivalent de la reste de Europe.

Estimado Fernando ( y Dana)

Pedrenyal: me permito copiar un párrafo de "Pistoles, trabucs i pedrenyals", de Martí, Salas y Calvó:

"al segleXVI apareix a Europaun mecanisme, el pany de roda (wheellock),capaç, de acumular l'energía necessaria per produiruna ignico instantania en un arma, amb la senzill accio de pressionar una palanca.

A Catalunya se lánomena pedrenyal, se le coneix ben aviat i adopta formes particulars i definedes, que el diferencien dels seus equivalent de la reste de Europe.
Estimado Fernando ( y Dana)

Pedrenyal: me permito copiar un párrafo de "Pistoles, trabucs i pedrenyals", de Martí, Salas y Calvó:

"al segleXVI apareix a Europaun mecanisme, el pany de roda (wheellock),capaç, de acumular l'energía necessaria per produiruna ignico instantania en un arma, amb la senzill accio de pressionar una palanca.

A Catalunya se lánomena pedrenyal, se le coneix ben aviat i adopta formes particulars i definedes, que el diferencien dels seus equivalent de la reste de Europe.

Lavin, página 230 de su libro:
"Locally, these pistols were called "pedreñales""

Dizionario Enciclopédico Italiano:
Petrinale: ( o pettrinale):s.m. del fr. petrinal, che dallo spagnolo pedrenal "pietra focaia". Schioppeto a ruota, etc

Don Quijote de la Mancha, Segunda parte, Madrid, 1615:
"Dormía de pié, interropiendo el sueño, mudándose de un lugar otro: todo era poner espías, escuchar centinelas, soplar las cuerdas de los arcabuces, auque traian pocos porque todos se servían de pedreñales"

SERRALLER: en el texto citado se encuentra diferenciado de "panyetariue", de modo que creo que se debe referir a "cerrajero (key maker)

9th February 2013, 02:12 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I Guess Fernando K translating engine has betrayed him . Pedrenyal is a flintlock gun (a sort of big pistol). Serraller, like Panyetaire, is a lock smith; only that serraller is a more generic name. If you pick one or two of those Diop guys, i may translate what the book says about them. Last edited by fernando; 9th February 2013 at 02:24 PM.

8th February 2013, 09:05 PM	#1
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Dana: I do not understand. I have photocopias......... Fernando K

9th February 2013, 02:42 AM	#2
dana_w Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Southeast Florida, USA Posts: 436	Do you own “Diccionario Biografico de Artistas de Cataluna, desde la epoca romana hasta nuestros días” Fernando K? If not, I will be glad to look up anything for you.

9th February 2013, 10:46 AM	#3
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Dear Dana: No. Thank you. I can, if desired, to improve a translation Sincerely, Fernando K

9th February 2013, 02:24 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Augusti Deop. Master lock smith from 1700’s Ripoll. Recorded between 1720 - 1750 in the archives of Ripoll Ethnographic Museum. His mark (punzon) may be seen in the lock of flint pistol (pedrenal) nr. 25678 of the inventory of the Board of Barcelona Museums.

9th February 2013, 02:56 PM	#6
dana_w Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Southeast Florida, USA Posts: 436	Thanks for the help Fernando and Fernando K. I probably shouldn't have put so much information up at once. Living here in Florida I know many people who speak Spanish, but they are not familiar with the lexicon of Arms and Armor.

9th February 2013, 06:44 PM	#7
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	essionar una palanca. A Catalunya se lánomena pedrenyal, se le coneix ben aviat i adopta formes particulars i definedes, que el diferencien dels seus equivalent de la reste de Europe. Estimado Fernando ( y Dana) Pedrenyal: me permito copiar un párrafo de "Pistoles, trabucs i pedrenyals", de Martí, Salas y Calvó: "al segleXVI apareix a Europaun mecanisme, el pany de roda (wheellock),capaç, de acumular l'energía necessaria per produiruna ignico instantania en un arma, amb la senzill accio de pressionar una palanca. A Catalunya se lánomena pedrenyal, se le coneix ben aviat i adopta formes particulars i definedes, que el diferencien dels seus equivalent de la reste de Europe. Estimado Fernando ( y Dana) Pedrenyal: me permito copiar un párrafo de "Pistoles, trabucs i pedrenyals", de Martí, Salas y Calvó: "al segleXVI apareix a Europaun mecanisme, el pany de roda (wheellock),capaç, de acumular l'energía necessaria per produiruna ignico instantania en un arma, amb la senzill accio de pressionar una palanca. A Catalunya se lánomena pedrenyal, se le coneix ben aviat i adopta formes particulars i definedes, que el diferencien dels seus equivalent de la reste de Europe. Lavin, página 230 de su libro: "Locally, these pistols were called "pedreñales"" Dizionario Enciclopédico Italiano: Petrinale: ( o pettrinale):s.m. del fr. petrinal, che dallo spagnolo pedrenal "pietra focaia". Schioppeto a ruota, etc Don Quijote de la Mancha, Segunda parte, Madrid, 1615: "Dormía de pié, interropiendo el sueño, mudándose de un lugar otro: todo era poner espías, escuchar centinelas, soplar las cuerdas de los arcabuces, auque traian pocos porque todos se servían de pedreñales" SERRALLER: en el texto citado se encuentra diferenciado de "panyetariue", de modo que creo que se debe referir a "cerrajero (key maker)