Kalis with unusual Lamination

T. Koch · 6th February 2013, 05:35 AM

Aha, thanks for the info! So far I've only tried my luck with warm vinegar. I will have to try getting my hands on some FeCl and get on with the experiments!

With grattitude, - Thor

kai · 6th February 2013, 09:18 AM

Hello Thor,

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So far I've only tried my luck with warm vinegar. I will have to try getting my hands on some FeCl and get on with the experiments!

FeCl3 is really corrosive - think of hydrochloric acid (HCl) with some rust added! Make sure to read the scattered threads touching on etching and verify that your neutralizing really works!

Regards,
Kai

Spunjer · 6th February 2013, 03:14 PM

regarding the term "adeg/mlumah":
*i'm really not familiar with indonesian terminology, and it's even harder to apply those terms to what it signifies.
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in what twistcores (moro) i've seen, i've notice that it falls in two categories: a) the rough, 3-D texture type, and the ones that are smooth types, similar to the example pictured above.
my question is, would the term "adeg/mlumah" apply to those two categories?

kai · 6th February 2013, 07:35 PM

Hello Ron,

both terms refer only to the orientation of the laminations. The surface treatment isn't covered and would depend on local Indo/Malay traditions.

I agree that utilizing central Javanese definitions/words for Moro kris is not optimal. However, the same could be argued for neighbouring cultures like Sunda in W Java. OTOH, the Jawa terminology is widely known and de facto lingua franka throughout the keris world nowadays with local terminology regrettably lost to time way too often...

Regards,
Kai

Spunjer · 7th February 2013, 12:23 PM

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 I agree that utilizing central Javanese definitions/words for Moro kris is not optimal. However, the same could be argued for neighbouring cultures like Sunda in W Java. OTOH, the Jawa terminology is widely known and de facto lingua franka throughout the keris world nowadays with local terminology regrettably lost to time way too often...

i kinda wonder about the Moro twistcores. i noticed that there are different patterns involved in twistcores. i do wonder if these patterns have significance not unlike the indo kerises...

kai · 10th February 2013, 12:33 AM

Hello Ron,

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i kinda wonder about the Moro twistcores. i noticed that there are different patterns involved in twistcores. i do wonder if these patterns have significance not unlike the indo kerises...

If there ever were, I'm afraid that this information might be lost forever...

There appear to be slightly different twistcore patterns in Moro kris. I'm not sure wether these are distinct/different enough to qualify for different meaning. As a working hypothesis, I am more thinking about them possibly being indicators of origin and schools of bladesmithing.

Most of the variation I have seen seems IMHO more related to quality issues though.

Regards,
Kai

Battara · 10th February 2013, 01:30 AM

I might also add that they are also earlier, perhaps pre-1890s. Most of those I have seen seem to be from 1700s to the mid 1870s.

6th February 2013, 05:35 AM	#1
T. Koch Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Mother North Posts: 189	Aha, thanks for the info! So far I've only tried my luck with warm vinegar. I will have to try getting my hands on some FeCl and get on with the experiments! With grattitude, - Thor

6th February 2013, 03:14 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	regarding the term "adeg/mlumah": i'm really not familiar with indonesian terminology, and it's even harder to apply those terms to what it signifies. in what twistcores (moro) i've seen, i've notice that it falls in two categories: a) the rough, 3-D texture type, and the ones that are smooth types, similar to the example pictured above. my question is, would the term "adeg/mlumah" apply to those two categories?

6th February 2013, 07:35 PM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Ron, both terms refer only to the orientation of the laminations. The surface treatment isn't covered and would depend on local Indo/Malay traditions. I agree that utilizing central Javanese definitions/words for Moro kris is not optimal. However, the same could be argued for neighbouring cultures like Sunda in W Java. OTOH, the Jawa terminology is widely known and de facto lingua franka throughout the keris world nowadays with local terminology regrettably lost to time way too often... Regards, Kai

10th February 2013, 01:30 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	I might also add that they are also earlier, perhaps pre-1890s. Most of those I have seen seem to be from 1700s to the mid 1870s.