A fine moroccan Musket for ID

Martin Lubojacky · 5th February 2013, 05:58 PM

Hi Dom and Cerjak,
OK - I strike sail, guns are not my field.
But where are those old times of takoubas and teleks.....- Enclosed plese find "Tuaregs through the eye of time".
And also - where are other forumites (I mean experts for long guns) ?
Regards,
Martin

TVV · 5th February 2013, 06:58 PM

The only reference I have on these is Elgoods "Firearms of the Islamic World". There he describes this type as Afedali and places its origin in the Sous valley in Morocco. It would not be surprising if these were used within a much wider area though.

I am not sure of a good reference on firearms used by the Tuareg, but it seems like they had no cultural reluctance to guns and acquired them at any given opportunity. Per Smaldone, the Tuareg controlled the Northern (or Trans-Saharan) route of firearms into Hausaland, and it would seem likely that many of the guns they obtained must have been of Moroccan manufacture, as these were probably the only ones available for the most part. The French and the other colonial powers in the region did everything they could to prevent a supply of modern firearms to the Tuareg and the Sudanic empires, for obvious reasons.

Smaldone also raises a very good point: the lack of a reliable supply of cartridges for breechloaders made muzzleloaders popular in the Sahel (and likely Sahara as well), since the ammunition for them could be locally produced.

Based on the above it seems pretty safe to conclude that muskets such as the very nice subject of this thread, must have been used among the Tuareg, at least for as long as they could not obtain anything better.

Cerjak · 6th February 2013, 06:12 PM

Hi dom ,Martin&TVV
The problem is that except Elgoods "Firearms of the Islamic World" there is no more book I know relating Guns From Morocco ,Algeria & Maghreb.It seems that from BALKAN there it’s more documentations available and I can't understand that with the good and old relationship we had in France with those countries that I have never find a French book specialized in the study from those guns.
Not logical !

Regards
Cerjak

5th February 2013, 05:58 PM	#1
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 843	Hi Dom and Cerjak, OK - I strike sail, guns are not my field. But where are those old times of takoubas and teleks.....- Enclosed plese find "Tuaregs through the eye of time". And also - where are other forumites (I mean experts for long guns) ? Regards, Martin Attached Images

5th February 2013, 06:58 PM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,660	The only reference I have on these is Elgoods "Firearms of the Islamic World". There he describes this type as Afedali and places its origin in the Sous valley in Morocco. It would not be surprising if these were used within a much wider area though. I am not sure of a good reference on firearms used by the Tuareg, but it seems like they had no cultural reluctance to guns and acquired them at any given opportunity. Per Smaldone, the Tuareg controlled the Northern (or Trans-Saharan) route of firearms into Hausaland, and it would seem likely that many of the guns they obtained must have been of Moroccan manufacture, as these were probably the only ones available for the most part. The French and the other colonial powers in the region did everything they could to prevent a supply of modern firearms to the Tuareg and the Sudanic empires, for obvious reasons. Smaldone also raises a very good point: the lack of a reliable supply of cartridges for breechloaders made muzzleloaders popular in the Sahel (and likely Sahara as well), since the ammunition for them could be locally produced. Based on the above it seems pretty safe to conclude that muskets such as the very nice subject of this thread, must have been used among the Tuareg, at least for as long as they could not obtain anything better.

6th February 2013, 06:12 PM	#3
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Hi dom ,Martin&TVV The problem is that except Elgoods "Firearms of the Islamic World" there is no more book I know relating Guns From Morocco ,Algeria & Maghreb.It seems that from BALKAN there it’s more documentations available and I can't understand that with the good and old relationship we had in France with those countries that I have never find a French book specialized in the study from those guns. Not logical ! Regards Cerjak