Sundanga from Sulawesi for comment

[Sajen]

Hi Maurice,

read the two threads I have given the links. I am very inclined to believe the the statement from Sipakatuo since he is from Sulawesi and the co author from the book "Senjata Pusaka Bugis". I will contact him via pm and email if he can have a look and can give us further informations.
BTW, there was a old collection label by the sword where it is written that it is a "Celebes Pedang Bengkok from 1840". The sword coming from an old netherlands collection.
I am as well never have seen swassa/suassa by Sulawesi pieces, but the small ring at the handle is.

Best regards,

Detlef

[Maurice]

Hi Detlef,

I love those old tags! Keep it with the sword...

Yes I've read the two other threads, and I agree they must be from Celebes than.
But there are those strong resemblances with Javanese swords/pedangs, that there must be a connection somewhere, somehow (as Michael also stated in one of the other threads).

I attached an image of some weapons of the governor of Bandung from about 1880.
Here you see the "Javanese" brothers (three on the left and four pieces at the right) standing upright (but they miss the "Celebes touch" what can be seen on the three mentioned).

My feeling is that they also are all pre 1850 and very old, and must be connected somehow with the Celebes ones....
(just my guess, open for discussion ofcourse)

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi Detlef,

I love those old tags! Keep it with the sword...

Yes I've read the two other threads, and I agree they must be from Celebes than.
But there are those strong resemblances with Javanese swords/pedangs, that there must be a connection somewhere, somehow (as Michael also stated in one of the other threads).

I attached an image of some weapons of the governor of Bandung from about 1880.
Here you see the "Javanese" brothers (three on the left and four pieces at the right) standing upright (but they miss the "Celebes touch" what can be seen on the three mentioned).

My feeling is that they also are all pre 1850 and very old, and must be connected somehow with the Celebes ones....
(just my guess, open for discussion ofcourse)

Hi Maurice,

yes I know this Sunda swords called sintoeng like shown from Gene in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=sintoeng and agree that there are a lot of affinity between them and special the one from Marco. And like you I believe that there is a connection between them.

Best,

Detlef

[CharlesS]

I had always associated this sword with Java, but now am beginning to think it is from Sulawesi afterall. Would you agree???

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

I had always associated this sword with Java, but now am beginning to think it is from Sulawesi afterall. Would you agree???

Hi Charles, yes I agree! look to # 7, the embossing in down of your handle is again very very similar. And the complete appearance of yours fit very well to the other shown examples. Very nice sword BTW.

Regards,

Detlef

[Battara]

Detlef, did you get the hilt parts tested?

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Battara

Detlef, did you get the hilt parts tested?

Can't find my silver test for the moment but the seller just informed me that the hilt is from sterling silver (he has test it) and that the previous owner has test the small ring for gold content but from the colour I think it's suassa.