barrels with tube fastening in 1470-80

Andi · 25th January 2013, 07:36 AM

Here are two hackbuts from Sweden:

http://www.historiska.se/data/?foremal=123316
With remains of the wooden shaft. Found in Skåne in the region of Norra Åsum, this one is undated. Barrel 101 cm, calibre 19 mm

http://www.historiska.se/data/?foremal=115866
Found in Stockholm, dated to the late middle ages. Barrel 106 cm, calibre not mentioned.

fernando · 25th January 2013, 05:45 PM

Very nice

Andi · 27th September 2013, 06:18 PM

Two arquebuses, type dated to the 15th century and owned by the Schützengilde (marksmen gilde) of Woldegk, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany est. 1514. No 1 length of 858 mm caliber 22 mm, no 2 length 872 mm caliber 27 mm.

According to the literature both arquebuses were owned by the makrsmen guild since several hundred years and were still used as salute guns in the 1930s.

Matchlock · 5th October 2013, 03:47 PM

Hi Andi,

According to the clear formal and stylistic criteria that these two hackbut/haquebut barrels show (the one on top with octagonal rear section, long, slender and round mid section and long, octagonal muzzle section, the lower one round throughout but also divided in three stages), and backed up by the general Early-Renaissance stylistic three-stage feeling of their smith(s), they can be safely dated to ca. 1525-30.
Thus, they are no longer Gothic 15th c. specimen.

As they do not seem to have any pans attached to the touch-hole areas, the pans and covers are either missing (in which case traces of their former dovetailing must be seen) or are a highly unusual feature.

For more on such pieces and their dating criteria, please search my threads.

Best,
Michael

Andi · 5th October 2013, 10:20 PM

Hello Matchlock! Thanks for your info. Sorry that I posted them in the wrong thread - should we as the moderators or admins to move this replies to the suitable thread?

Matchlock · 24th May 2014, 08:42 PM

Hi Andi,

I photoshopped the picture of those two wrought iron haquebut barrels, which, in all probability, were made in Suhl/Thuringia, in about 1530.
However, they do not feature what Alexender called tube fastening, meaning rear sockets for a wooden tiller stock, as that way of stocking a barrel had been outdated by ca. 1500, at the latest.

Is this photo authored/copyrighted by you, or by the Schützengilde Woldegk?

Best,
Michael

Andi · 21st July 2014, 07:49 PM

Unfortunately I have no copyright on the image and no further infos on the pieces. I tried to contact the Schützengilde Woldegk and the mayor of the town Woldeg but received no reply till yet.

Spiridonov · 8th October 2017, 01:13 PM

Huvudliggare
beskrivning/anteckningar: KM 43044. Handkanon, brons, med skaft av trä; medeltida. Ink. för avkastningen av "Skånebokens fond". Ink. på auktion å fabr. H. Swanbergs vapensaml. i Eslöv d. 25.9.44. Kat. n:r 59
m/l: M
förvärvsomständigheter: Köp 195.00
förvärvad från: Fabrikör H. Swanberg Eslöv
samtidiga förvärv: 43044-43047
Presentationstext
Ur utställningskatalogen: Funnen i Åhus hamn. De tidigaste eldvapnen var av denna typ utan lås och kallades ofta för rör. Krutet tändes med en lunta via hålet ovanpå. Kanoner av denna typ användes på fästningsvallar och krävde två personer- en som tände på och en som siktade. Vissa av dessa kanoner hade en hake att hålla mot en mur, för att hindra rekylen, och kallades då hakebössor.
Beskrivning
Skaft av trä, pipa av brons.
Historik
Med i utställningen "Makt över liv" vapenutställning 2007-.;
Handkanonen sågs av H. Swanberg ffg då han var 8 år, den låg då på en vind i Åhus, hos en person vid namn Delin, (utan egentligt yrke, dog i tuberkulos). Svanberg brukade på somrarna besöka en i Åhus bosatt moster. Det berättades att kanonen hittats i Åhus hamn av en dykare mitt för slottet vid en fartygsundersökning. Lokförare Johansson, brukade köra vexelloket på Åhus station, död för några år sedan (samband med honom?).
Inhämtat av H. Svanberg per telefon den 13/1 1947 ( Av Ragnar Blomquist)
Material
brons; trä
Längd
122,6 cm [med träskaft]; 50 cm [utan träskaft]
Kaliber
45 mm
Vikt
7435 gr [?]

25th January 2013, 07:36 AM	#1
Andi Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Halstenbek, Germany Posts: 203	Here are two hackbuts from Sweden: http://www.historiska.se/data/?foremal=123316 With remains of the wooden shaft. Found in Skåne in the region of Norra Åsum, this one is undated. Barrel 101 cm, calibre 19 mm http://www.historiska.se/data/?foremal=115866 Found in Stockholm, dated to the late middle ages. Barrel 106 cm, calibre not mentioned. Attached Images

27th September 2013, 06:18 PM	#3
Andi Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Halstenbek, Germany Posts: 203	Two arquebuses, type dated to the 15th century and owned by the Schützengilde (marksmen gilde) of Woldegk, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany est. 1514. No 1 length of 858 mm caliber 22 mm, no 2 length 872 mm caliber 27 mm. According to the literature both arquebuses were owned by the makrsmen guild since several hundred years and were still used as salute guns in the 1930s. Attached Images

24th May 2014, 08:42 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Andi, I photoshopped the picture of those two wrought iron haquebut barrels, which, in all probability, were made in Suhl/Thuringia, in about 1530. However, they do not feature what Alexender called tube fastening, meaning rear sockets for a wooden tiller stock, as that way of stocking a barrel had been outdated by ca. 1500, at the latest. Is this photo authored/copyrighted by you, or by the Schützengilde Woldegk? Best, Michael Attached Images

25th January 2013, 05:45 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Very nice

5th October 2013, 03:47 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Andi, According to the clear formal and stylistic criteria that these two hackbut/haquebut barrels show (the one on top with octagonal rear section, long, slender and round mid section and long, octagonal muzzle section, the lower one round throughout but also divided in three stages), and backed up by the general Early-Renaissance stylistic three-stage feeling of their smith(s), they can be safely dated to ca. 1525-30. Thus, they are no longer Gothic 15th c. specimen. As they do not seem to have any pans attached to the touch-hole areas, the pans and covers are either missing (in which case traces of their former dovetailing must be seen) or are a highly unusual feature. For more on such pieces and their dating criteria, please search my threads. Best, Michael

5th October 2013, 10:20 PM	#5
Andi Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Halstenbek, Germany Posts: 203	Hello Matchlock! Thanks for your info. Sorry that I posted them in the wrong thread - should we as the moderators or admins to move this replies to the suitable thread?

21st July 2014, 07:49 PM	#7
Andi Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Halstenbek, Germany Posts: 203	Unfortunately I have no copyright on the image and no further infos on the pieces. I tried to contact the Schützengilde Woldegk and the mayor of the town Woldeg but received no reply till yet.

8th October 2017, 01:13 PM	#8
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	Huvudliggare beskrivning/anteckningar: KM 43044. Handkanon, brons, med skaft av trä; medeltida. Ink. för avkastningen av "Skånebokens fond". Ink. på auktion å fabr. H. Swanbergs vapensaml. i Eslöv d. 25.9.44. Kat. n:r 59 m/l: M förvärvsomständigheter: Köp 195.00 förvärvad från: Fabrikör H. Swanberg Eslöv samtidiga förvärv: 43044-43047 Presentationstext Ur utställningskatalogen: Funnen i Åhus hamn. De tidigaste eldvapnen var av denna typ utan lås och kallades ofta för rör. Krutet tändes med en lunta via hålet ovanpå. Kanoner av denna typ användes på fästningsvallar och krävde två personer- en som tände på och en som siktade. Vissa av dessa kanoner hade en hake att hålla mot en mur, för att hindra rekylen, och kallades då hakebössor. Beskrivning Skaft av trä, pipa av brons. Historik Med i utställningen "Makt över liv" vapenutställning 2007-.; Handkanonen sågs av H. Swanberg ffg då han var 8 år, den låg då på en vind i Åhus, hos en person vid namn Delin, (utan egentligt yrke, dog i tuberkulos). Svanberg brukade på somrarna besöka en i Åhus bosatt moster. Det berättades att kanonen hittats i Åhus hamn av en dykare mitt för slottet vid en fartygsundersökning. Lokförare Johansson, brukade köra vexelloket på Åhus station, död för några år sedan (samband med honom?). Inhämtat av H. Svanberg per telefon den 13/1 1947 ( Av Ragnar Blomquist) Material brons; trä Längd 122,6 cm [med träskaft]; 50 cm [utan träskaft] Kaliber 45 mm Vikt 7435 gr [?]