old ivory hilt for share

David · 20th January 2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by T. Koch

Thank you David - I think I have mistakenly used the word 'patina' here, in an inappropriate way. I didn't mean to imply it was due to significant age of the piece, I just wanted to refer to the darker areas under the chin, for instance. Would 'shade' or maybe 'glow' or something else be more correct?

No Thor, patina is patina and i would definitely say this piece has some. But here it seems to have been applied more quickly for effect than allowed to develop of a long period of handling use. There are ways to do this along with staining the ivory for color to give the over all impression of age.

T. Koch · 21st January 2013, 07:31 PM

Agreed and thanks for clarifying!

- Thor

Paul B. · 6th February 2020, 07:36 AM

I want to share a rather unusual ivory handle from Surakarta for claryfication.
It is shown in the pictured book and texting says: 'cat eaten by a snake' even if the pic shows a rather doggy head?

David · 6th February 2020, 06:40 PM

Nice example. I have seen this odd form before somewhere. Yes, i am not certain about the description in the book. It doesn't quite look like a cat to me. In any case i would be curious to understand the meaning behind this symbolism. Perhaps there is a folktale that applies here.

Paul B. · 7th February 2020, 05:46 AM

The rendering shows a cat if I look at the small almost hidden ears. Mine clearly shows doglike ears. Anyone else having a clue?

mariusgmioc · 7th February 2020, 09:33 PM

Question : what is a keris hilt?!

1. something attached to a keris to serve as a hilt or...

2. something that is made with the purpose to serve as hilt for a keris?!

Paul B. · 9th February 2020, 07:38 AM

Maybe someone can enlight me about the pamor involved. Is there more then one pamor (dwiwarna?) or do I look at a (worn) kind of Toya mambeg or karawelang?

6th February 2020, 07:36 AM	#3
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	I want to share a rather unusual ivory handle from Surakarta for claryfication. It is shown in the pictured book and texting says: 'cat eaten by a snake' even if the pic shows a rather doggy head? Attached Images

9th February 2020, 07:38 AM	#7
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	Maybe someone can enlight me about the pamor involved. Is there more then one pamor (dwiwarna?) or do I look at a (worn) kind of Toya mambeg or karawelang? Attached Images

21st January 2013, 07:31 PM	#2
T. Koch Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Mother North Posts: 189	Agreed and thanks for clarifying! - Thor

6th February 2020, 06:40 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,229	Nice example. I have seen this odd form before somewhere. Yes, i am not certain about the description in the book. It doesn't quite look like a cat to me. In any case i would be curious to understand the meaning behind this symbolism. Perhaps there is a folktale that applies here.

7th February 2020, 05:46 AM	#5
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	The rendering shows a cat if I look at the small almost hidden ears. Mine clearly shows doglike ears. Anyone else having a clue?

7th February 2020, 09:33 PM	#6
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Question : what is a keris hilt?! 1. something attached to a keris to serve as a hilt or... 2. something that is made with the purpose to serve as hilt for a keris?!