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A. G. Maisey · 20th January 2013, 03:17 AM

Yeah, the wrongko fill is self explanatory.

I've seen that pesi job a few times, and frankly, I cannot make up my mind if its a repair or an alternative original method. A couple I've had have been a perfect match for iron, which makes me feel its original. If a bakalan was undersize, fitting an add-on pesi like this would save a lot of material.

When you forge the pesi into a bakalan you either forge down , and then you lose a lot through flaking, or you cut the pesi out of a bakalan that has not been forged down, and again you lose material. A pesi needs a lot more material to start with than you'd think.

henri · 20th January 2013, 05:19 AM

Nice keris ... with a very similar hilt I have into my collection .

Rick · 20th January 2013, 02:47 PM

After seeing three of these hilts in this thread that have a kendit ring in almost exactly the same place I'm coming to the conclusion that it is a staining rather than natural .

Sajen · 20th January 2013, 03:12 PM

The possible pesi repair reminds me to a philippine kris in my possession.

BTW, you have done very well to buy this keris!

David · 20th January 2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

The possible pesi repair reminds me to a philippine kris in my possession.
BTW, you have done very well to buy this keris!

Yes Detlef, i have seen this type of repair on Moro kris before. I am intrigued by Alan's suggestion that this might be an alternative original method. It does appear to be a pretty good match of metals for sure and it is done with such precision.

Sajen · 20th January 2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Yes Detlef, i have seen this type of repair on Moro kris before. I am intrigued by Alan's suggestion that this might be an alternative original method. It does appear to be a pretty good match of metals for sure and it is done with such precision.

Yes, I agree as well!

GIO · 20th January 2013, 04:32 PM

This one once was mine (stolen from my home).
This is only to complete the range of this kind of hilts.

David · 20th January 2013, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

After seeing three of these hilts in this thread that have a kendit ring in almost exactly the same place I'm coming to the conclusion that it is a staining rather than natural .

Well, i'm pretty certain that mine is natural having it in hand and Erik's looks pretty good as well, though his photos aren't so detailed. Not sure about Henri's, but my filling is that this style of hilt seems to be just for kendit wood. Does anyone have an example without the belt?

Jean · 31st January 2013, 11:28 AM

[QUOTE=David]Well, i'm pretty certain that mine is natural having it in hand and Erik's looks pretty good as well, though his photos aren't so detailed. Not sure about Henri's, but my filling is that this style of hilt seems to be just for kendit wood. Does anyone have an example without the belt?

[/QUOTE

I attach the picture of 2 quite similar hilts (old but of more common quality) including one without the kendit band. If the band is artificial, it could be made by staining with China ink or equivalent (preferentially flowing to the rims as on 2 of the specimens shown ) or by poker-work (the piece from Henri). Would somebody dare testing it by scratching a small corner of the band or inspecting the peksi hole with a torch lamp to check the continuity inside? I will test the one on the right of the picture and will report the resuts if they are clear enough.
Regards

David · 31st January 2013, 02:29 PM

Thanks for these other examples Jean. At least now we know that the kendit wasn't a requirement for this hilt form. In answer to your question i would not be willing to scratch any part of my hilt to prove what i can already clearly determine with the hilt in hand. When i get a moment i might try taking a look up the pesi hole, but even it the mark does not continue on the inside it could still be genuine.The discoloration just might not run that deep. If it can't be determined by my photos i can tell you that i am pretty certain with the piece in hand that my hilt has a true kendit. :-)

Jean · 1st February 2013, 08:54 AM

I performed the scratch test on a small motif at the base of the hilt shown on the right of the picture and the black stain faded so it confirms that it was dyed.
On the other hand the kendit band on the warangka shown herebelow is genuine as it is clearly visible inside the slot (the wood is clean as it was slightly cut recently for fitting the blade).
Regards

20th January 2013, 05:19 AM	#2
henri Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 81	Nice keris ... with a very similar hilt I have into my collection . Attached Images

20th January 2013, 03:12 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	The possible pesi repair reminds me to a philippine kris in my possession. BTW, you have done very well to buy this keris! Attached Images

31st January 2013, 11:28 AM	#9
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	[QUOTE=David]Well, i'm pretty certain that mine is natural having it in hand and Erik's looks pretty good as well, though his photos aren't so detailed. Not sure about Henri's, but my filling is that this style of hilt seems to be just for kendit wood. Does anyone have an example without the belt? [/QUOTE I attach the picture of 2 quite similar hilts (old but of more common quality) including one without the kendit band. If the band is artificial, it could be made by staining with China ink or equivalent (preferentially flowing to the rims as on 2 of the specimens shown ) or by poker-work (the piece from Henri). Would somebody dare testing it by scratching a small corner of the band or inspecting the peksi hole with a torch lamp to check the continuity inside? I will test the one on the right of the picture and will report the resuts if they are clear enough. Regards Attached Images Last edited by Jean; 31st January 2013 at 01:20 PM.

1st February 2013, 08:54 AM	#11
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	I performed the scratch test on a small motif at the base of the hilt shown on the right of the picture and the black stain faded so it confirms that it was dyed. On the other hand the kendit band on the warangka shown herebelow is genuine as it is clearly visible inside the slot (the wood is clean as it was slightly cut recently for fitting the blade). Regards Attached Images

20th January 2013, 03:17 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,989	Yeah, the wrongko fill is self explanatory. I've seen that pesi job a few times, and frankly, I cannot make up my mind if its a repair or an alternative original method. A couple I've had have been a perfect match for iron, which makes me feel its original. If a bakalan was undersize, fitting an add-on pesi like this would save a lot of material. When you forge the pesi into a bakalan you either forge down , and then you lose a lot through flaking, or you cut the pesi out of a bakalan that has not been forged down, and again you lose material. A pesi needs a lot more material to start with than you'd think.

20th January 2013, 02:47 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	After seeing three of these hilts in this thread that have a kendit ring in almost exactly the same place I'm coming to the conclusion that it is a staining rather than natural .

20th January 2013, 04:32 PM	#7
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 328	This one once was mine (stolen from my home). This is only to complete the range of this kind of hilts.

31st January 2013, 02:29 PM	#10
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Thanks for these other examples Jean. At least now we know that the kendit wasn't a requirement for this hilt form. In answer to your question i would not be willing to scratch any part of my hilt to prove what i can already clearly determine with the hilt in hand. When i get a moment i might try taking a look up the pesi hole, but even it the mark does not continue on the inside it could still be genuine.The discoloration just might not run that deep. If it can't be determined by my photos i can tell you that i am pretty certain with the piece in hand that my hilt has a true kendit. :-)