please what is it ?

Tim Simmons · 25th December 2012, 10:23 PM

These look like all the elements have come from the same mould and most probably a sand casting.

David R · 29th December 2012, 10:22 PM

Definately a Chinese mace, also called a Jian, but using a different character to that used for the sword. One Chinese site, the one I got this pic from, called it a Sleeve Mace and described it as an assassins weapon. The Chinese were casting iron from the early first millenium, so all bets are off as to dating, but if genuine probably Quing period as that era saw a lot of personal weaponry of this type produced.

Timo Nieminen · 30th December 2012, 09:04 AM

As for dating, I think most of these for sale are very late 20th century or early 21st. Very many of these very similar to this, but historically this doesn't seem to be an overwhelming majority (see Stone fig 533 for a variety of Chinese maces).

junker · 30th December 2012, 05:50 PM

Hi,
in the head there were some sand, which comes out of the cracks.
Yes, i`m not sure for the age, because I have no literature about that topic.
What is the title of the book from the Stone you mentioned.
Probably I could get it in a libary

best Dirk

David R · 30th December 2012, 05:57 PM

The book is by George Cameron Stone, A Glossary of the Construction Decoration and Use of Arms and Armour in all Countries and in all Times. Usualy referred to as "Stones Glossary" ISBN 0-486-40726-8 (phk). Probably the single most usefull book a collecter can have, despite it's age.

Mercenary · 1st January 2013, 09:07 AM

Hi
I am sorry, but most of these items are really late 20th - 21st

They are smaller in size than ancient hammers, but more than recent small knobsticks. But look respectable, and are suitable for delivery.

josh stout · 3rd January 2013, 03:32 PM

They are called "chui" and the ones with dragons are recent. The last one looks more promising.

I was fooled by one of the dragon sword breakers recently, they look good, and you can find them everywhere from eBay to respectable dealers, but they are all fakes. Luckily the respectable dealers will give you your money back.

The jian sword breaker is more of an iron bar with a square or octagonal cross section with a tapering construction and appears very similar to the bian type iron whip, which has a more flattened cross section. The iron ruler is also similar but looks like,... an iron ruler with a handle.

The genuine examples of this class of weapons tend to be of simple construction made of good folded steel, not cast iron or brass.
Josh

29th December 2012, 10:22 PM	#2
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,116	Definately a Chinese mace, also called a Jian, but using a different character to that used for the sword. One Chinese site, the one I got this pic from, called it a Sleeve Mace and described it as an assassins weapon. The Chinese were casting iron from the early first millenium, so all bets are off as to dating, but if genuine probably Quing period as that era saw a lot of personal weaponry of this type produced. Attached Images

25th December 2012, 10:23 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,842	These look like all the elements have come from the same mould and most probably a sand casting.

30th December 2012, 09:04 AM	#3
Timo Nieminen Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 422	As for dating, I think most of these for sale are very late 20th century or early 21st. Very many of these very similar to this, but historically this doesn't seem to be an overwhelming majority (see Stone fig 533 for a variety of Chinese maces).

30th December 2012, 05:50 PM	#4
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Hi, in the head there were some sand, which comes out of the cracks. Yes, i`m not sure for the age, because I have no literature about that topic. What is the title of the book from the Stone you mentioned. Probably I could get it in a libary best Dirk

30th December 2012, 05:57 PM	#5
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,116	The book is by George Cameron Stone, A Glossary of the Construction Decoration and Use of Arms and Armour in all Countries and in all Times. Usualy referred to as "Stones Glossary" ISBN 0-486-40726-8 (phk). Probably the single most usefull book a collecter can have, despite it's age.

1st January 2013, 09:07 AM	#6
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 426	Hi I am sorry, but most of these items are really late 20th - 21st They are smaller in size than ancient hammers, but more than recent small knobsticks. But look respectable, and are suitable for delivery.

3rd January 2013, 03:32 PM	#7
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	They are called "chui" and the ones with dragons are recent. The last one looks more promising. I was fooled by one of the dragon sword breakers recently, they look good, and you can find them everywhere from eBay to respectable dealers, but they are all fakes. Luckily the respectable dealers will give you your money back. The jian sword breaker is more of an iron bar with a square or octagonal cross section with a tapering construction and appears very similar to the bian type iron whip, which has a more flattened cross section. The iron ruler is also similar but looks like,... an iron ruler with a handle. The genuine examples of this class of weapons tend to be of simple construction made of good folded steel, not cast iron or brass. Josh