Unusual ? Moro kris

David · 25th December 2012, 09:32 PM

Frankly Detlef, i think you did a great job with your restoration. First of all, we all know that sheaths will often be changed in the lifetime of a blade. So if one can restore the old sheath like you did or even create a brand new one from scratch as Jose did in the link you provide i see no real problem with that. It is just respectful to the blade to provide it with a good home.
My concern arises when we consider making physical changes to the blade such as with Ariel's example. Adding a new plate onto the blade requires a great deal of guess work and pretty much changes the blade forever.

Sajen · 25th December 2012, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Frankly Detlef, i think you did a great job with your restoration. First of all, we all know that sheaths will often be changed in the lifetime of a blade. So if one can restore the old sheath like you did or even create a brand new one from scratch as Jose did in the link you provide i see no real problem with that. It is just respectful to the blade to provide it with a good home.
My concern arises when we consider making physical changes to the blade such as with Ariel's example. Adding a new plate onto the blade requires a great deal of guess work and pretty much changes the blade forever.

First, thank you!

Jose has given this kris not only a new sheath but also new silver bands to the handle and new clamps.
Possible new plates could be plain and would be attached by rivets, easily removable when wished. By one picture Ariel provide I think you still can see how long they have been and which form they have had.

But like I have written before, there never will be an unanimous point of view and it will be a norrow path to do such a restore or not. Some will decide to do it, others not. But I think we have agreement by the handle and the clamp.

Regards,

Detlef

Spunjer · 25th December 2012, 10:46 PM

Detlef, i can, up to a point, see adding a baka-baka. but the problem with the plate is, we don't have a clue of its significance. is it merely for decoration, or does it have anything to do with something else? by adding a plain plate, what would be the significance of it? i was told at one time that having talismanic symbols is not by choice of the warrior. i thought about this and it make sense. as superstitious as these warriors were, you would think all blades will have some type of magical symbols. the plate might have some type of magical significance for all we know.

Sajen · 25th December 2012, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

Detlef, i can, up to a point, see adding a baka-baka. but the problem with the plate is, we don't have a clue of its significance. is it merely for decoration, or does it have anything to do with something else? by adding a plain plate, what would be the significance of it? i was told at one time that having talismanic symbols is not by choice of the warrior. i thought about this and it make sense. as superstitious as these warriors were, you would think all blades will have some type of magical symbols. the plate might have some type of magical significance for all we know.

Ron, yes, at this point of view I have to agree.

Battara · 26th December 2012, 01:12 AM

Since my name has been mentioned several times, I would like to way in a little.

It is always a difficult issue to restore a piece or not. Some recreation is involved, although what I do is based on research on the tribal art patterns, other tribal pieces, the time period of development, etc.

I guess a bigger question is how much restoration? I figure that radical restoration that either involves replacing half the original work could be called reconstruction, or if it means swapping/cobbling pieces together then it could be called a monstrosity. I would not apply this to newly made pieces.

This particular piece in question seems to be on the borderline, especially since this involves the soul of the piece - the blade. It would require more than just replacing lost inlay.

25th December 2012, 09:32 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Frankly Detlef, i think you did a great job with your restoration. First of all, we all know that sheaths will often be changed in the lifetime of a blade. So if one can restore the old sheath like you did or even create a brand new one from scratch as Jose did in the link you provide i see no real problem with that. It is just respectful to the blade to provide it with a good home. My concern arises when we consider making physical changes to the blade such as with Ariel's example. Adding a new plate onto the blade requires a great deal of guess work and pretty much changes the blade forever.

25th December 2012, 10:46 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Detlef, i can, up to a point, see adding a baka-baka. but the problem with the plate is, we don't have a clue of its significance. is it merely for decoration, or does it have anything to do with something else? by adding a plain plate, what would be the significance of it? i was told at one time that having talismanic symbols is not by choice of the warrior. i thought about this and it make sense. as superstitious as these warriors were, you would think all blades will have some type of magical symbols. the plate might have some type of magical significance for all we know.

26th December 2012, 01:12 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Since my name has been mentioned several times, I would like to way in a little. It is always a difficult issue to restore a piece or not. Some recreation is involved, although what I do is based on research on the tribal art patterns, other tribal pieces, the time period of development, etc. I guess a bigger question is how much restoration? I figure that radical restoration that either involves replacing half the original work could be called reconstruction, or if it means swapping/cobbling pieces together then it could be called a monstrosity. I would not apply this to newly made pieces. This particular piece in question seems to be on the borderline, especially since this involves the soul of the piece - the blade. It would require more than just replacing lost inlay.