please what is it ?

junker · 25th December 2012, 06:34 PM

Hi,

I want to post my new chinese mace, but before I did, I checked the treads so far and found out, there is an tread already of the same subject.
So I could only add my photos.
It is whole cast from iron .Sadly mine have two heavy cracks in the head.
The head itself is hollow.
I will put it around 1850.

Tim Simmons · 25th December 2012, 10:23 PM

These look like all the elements have come from the same mould and most probably a sand casting.

David R · 29th December 2012, 10:22 PM

Definately a Chinese mace, also called a Jian, but using a different character to that used for the sword. One Chinese site, the one I got this pic from, called it a Sleeve Mace and described it as an assassins weapon. The Chinese were casting iron from the early first millenium, so all bets are off as to dating, but if genuine probably Quing period as that era saw a lot of personal weaponry of this type produced.

Timo Nieminen · 30th December 2012, 09:04 AM

As for dating, I think most of these for sale are very late 20th century or early 21st. Very many of these very similar to this, but historically this doesn't seem to be an overwhelming majority (see Stone fig 533 for a variety of Chinese maces).

junker · 30th December 2012, 05:50 PM

Hi,
in the head there were some sand, which comes out of the cracks.
Yes, i`m not sure for the age, because I have no literature about that topic.
What is the title of the book from the Stone you mentioned.
Probably I could get it in a libary

best Dirk

David R · 30th December 2012, 05:57 PM

The book is by George Cameron Stone, A Glossary of the Construction Decoration and Use of Arms and Armour in all Countries and in all Times. Usualy referred to as "Stones Glossary" ISBN 0-486-40726-8 (phk). Probably the single most usefull book a collecter can have, despite it's age.

Mercenary · 1st January 2013, 09:07 AM

Hi
I am sorry, but most of these items are really late 20th - 21st

They are smaller in size than ancient hammers, but more than recent small knobsticks. But look respectable, and are suitable for delivery.

25th December 2012, 06:34 PM	#1
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Mace/Club Chinese Hi, I want to post my new chinese mace, but before I did, I checked the treads so far and found out, there is an tread already of the same subject. So I could only add my photos. It is whole cast from iron .Sadly mine have two heavy cracks in the head. The head itself is hollow. I will put it around 1850. Attached Images

29th December 2012, 10:22 PM	#3
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,116	Definately a Chinese mace, also called a Jian, but using a different character to that used for the sword. One Chinese site, the one I got this pic from, called it a Sleeve Mace and described it as an assassins weapon. The Chinese were casting iron from the early first millenium, so all bets are off as to dating, but if genuine probably Quing period as that era saw a lot of personal weaponry of this type produced. Attached Images

25th December 2012, 10:23 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,842	These look like all the elements have come from the same mould and most probably a sand casting.

30th December 2012, 09:04 AM	#4
Timo Nieminen Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 422	As for dating, I think most of these for sale are very late 20th century or early 21st. Very many of these very similar to this, but historically this doesn't seem to be an overwhelming majority (see Stone fig 533 for a variety of Chinese maces).

30th December 2012, 05:50 PM	#5
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Hi, in the head there were some sand, which comes out of the cracks. Yes, i`m not sure for the age, because I have no literature about that topic. What is the title of the book from the Stone you mentioned. Probably I could get it in a libary best Dirk

30th December 2012, 05:57 PM	#6
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,116	The book is by George Cameron Stone, A Glossary of the Construction Decoration and Use of Arms and Armour in all Countries and in all Times. Usualy referred to as "Stones Glossary" ISBN 0-486-40726-8 (phk). Probably the single most usefull book a collecter can have, despite it's age.

1st January 2013, 09:07 AM	#7
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 426	Hi I am sorry, but most of these items are really late 20th - 21st They are smaller in size than ancient hammers, but more than recent small knobsticks. But look respectable, and are suitable for delivery.