2 knive for ident

VANDERNOTTE · 16th November 2012, 01:22 AM

bonsoir all
caan some one help mi whis this two couteaus of my collection
regard
jacques

weapons 27 · 16th November 2012, 11:47 AM

think has two hunting knife, hunting with hounds 19th, should be photos of the blades and the sheath to see the decorations..

bonjour jacques
je pense a deux couteaux de chasse , vénérie 19ième...
il faudrait des photos des lames et fourreaux pour voir les motifs

antoine

VANDERNOTTE · 16th November 2012, 10:12 PM

merci pour la reponse antoine
im agree about the big one ,is a hunting knive (german??)but the blade
of the smoll one look tu me too fancy and delicat whis the heched to be
for hunting
nex week y sent more pic
bon weekand
jacques

A Senefelder · 17th November 2012, 01:35 AM

This is all purely gut, based on nothing more than how they hit me with a little constructional stuff influencing the feeling.

On the first one, the much subtler blade geometry, the finer nature of the details on the collar at the base of the hilt where the blade and hilt meet, the quality of the the work on the bronze/brass chape and tip of the scabbard, say older, mayhaps 18th century. The blade has more of a " working " appearence to me, a tool that was to be used, a finely made tool from the looks of it.

The second one, while nicely done, everything about it has more of a 19th century feel to it. The blade, guard and hilt remind me as much of some of the English Sheffield bowies in style as a hunting knife. The etching on the blade feels " newer " as does the decorative motif on the chape/frog and tip of the scabbard ( if theres such a thing as " new " when talking about the 19th century in the 21st ).

My gut opinion, the first perhaps 18th century, the second 19th century. The first does appear to be a very nice hunting knife, I would say the second certainly could be and probably is a hunting knife but certain features of the blade, hilt and guard has a little part of me wondering if it isn't perhaps a very nice example of the gentlmanly knives for personal protection of the 19th century of which the Sheffield manufactured ones are an example. My 2c. only.

Norman McCormick · 25th November 2012, 04:36 PM

Hi,
I generally concur with what has already been said, here is some examples of Victorian bowie/hunting knives.
Regards,
Norman.

P.S. The two images with blue backgrounds are from a Sothebys sold catalogue.

16th November 2012, 01:22 AM	#1
VANDERNOTTE Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 60	2 knive for ident bonsoir all caan some one help mi whis this two couteaus of my collection regard jacques Attached Images

16th November 2012, 10:12 PM	#3
VANDERNOTTE Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 60	knives merci pour la reponse antoine im agree about the big one ,is a hunting knive (german??)but the blade of the smoll one look tu me too fancy and delicat whis the heched to be for hunting nex week y sent more pic bon weekand jacques

25th November 2012, 04:36 PM	#5
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,597	Hi, I generally concur with what has already been said, here is some examples of Victorian bowie/hunting knives. Regards, Norman. P.S. The two images with blue backgrounds are from a Sothebys sold catalogue. Attached Images

16th November 2012, 11:47 AM	#2
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	think has two hunting knife, hunting with hounds 19th, should be photos of the blades and the sheath to see the decorations.. bonjour jacques je pense a deux couteaux de chasse , vénérie 19ième... il faudrait des photos des lames et fourreaux pour voir les motifs antoine

17th November 2012, 01:35 AM	#4
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	This is all purely gut, based on nothing more than how they hit me with a little constructional stuff influencing the feeling. On the first one, the much subtler blade geometry, the finer nature of the details on the collar at the base of the hilt where the blade and hilt meet, the quality of the the work on the bronze/brass chape and tip of the scabbard, say older, mayhaps 18th century. The blade has more of a " working " appearence to me, a tool that was to be used, a finely made tool from the looks of it. The second one, while nicely done, everything about it has more of a 19th century feel to it. The blade, guard and hilt remind me as much of some of the English Sheffield bowies in style as a hunting knife. The etching on the blade feels " newer " as does the decorative motif on the chape/frog and tip of the scabbard ( if theres such a thing as " new " when talking about the 19th century in the 21st ). My gut opinion, the first perhaps 18th century, the second 19th century. The first does appear to be a very nice hunting knife, I would say the second certainly could be and probably is a hunting knife but certain features of the blade, hilt and guard has a little part of me wondering if it isn't perhaps a very nice example of the gentlmanly knives for personal protection of the 19th century of which the Sheffield manufactured ones are an example. My 2c. only.