'Indian' mace

Berkley · 9th November 2012, 05:44 PM

FWIW, in addition to the completed auction for "UNIQUE INDO-PERSIAN MACE shamshir sword armor", the identical item is available as a "Buy it now - 1 sold, 5 available" with the identical description. Apparently the previous owner was not only well-meaning but also very busy, cleaning so many of them.

The "INTERESTING DESIGNS STAMPED INTO CERTAIN PARTS OF THE SHAFT" appear to have been cast in a mold rather than stamped into the bronze or brass.

The original listing, from 10/30/10, does appear to have a steel shaft and contains within the same description the following: "THE DECORATIVE COLLAR APPEARS TO BE OF THICK SILVER 100% GUARANTEED PRE-1800. EVIDENCE OF ANCIENT DEEP PITTING TO THE STEEL SHAFT AND MANY SMALL DENTS AND MARKS TO THE BRONZE HEAD THE WHOLE THING POSSIBLY(FOR MY TASTES) SLIGHTLY OVER-CLEANED BY THE, WELL MEANING, PREVIOUS OWNER WEIGHS APPROX 2.25 KG ON MY WIFES KITCHEN SCALES 26 INCHES (66 CMS LONG) OVERALL *THIS MACE HAS NEVER BEEN OFFERED FOR PUBLIC SALE BEFORE NOW* *THIS ONE IS PART OF A SMALL COLLECTION OF FINE OR UNUSUAL INDO-PERSIAN-ISLAMIC MACES I WILL BE LISTING OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.*"
On 3/14/11 the next listing shows the brass shaft and omits the language from the original listing.

Stan S. · 9th November 2012, 11:59 PM

I have to confirm that this is a modern repro/fake that comes from China. I know the seller on ebay carrying these and was eyeing one for myself a while back. It's a nice mace for sure but definetely not an antique

kronckew · 10th November 2012, 07:08 AM

good, as i suspected, i wanted a reproduction anyway.

i stumbled across it while searching for this repro.

i found the co. that supplied them for the movie (van helsing). it cost me more that the indo-chinese one.

anyhow, now i don't have to worry about messing up a real antique. at least the 'previous owner' didn't seem to dent mine.

berk, your photos are better too.

kronckew · 23rd November 2012, 08:22 AM

well, the indian mace actually arrived yesterday. not quite so 'cleaned' as in the pictures. a bit of green gunge with a half hearted attempt to chemically patinate the head. the shaft that appears silvery in the photo is actually cast integrally with the rest. all bronze; tested with a strong magnet. cleaned off the phoney verdegris & it looks a lot better. actually feels fairly good in the hand & it's a shame it arrived a tad late for experimental pumpkin bashing.

M ELEY · 23rd November 2012, 01:34 PM

Ahh, but there's always watermelon and cantaloupes, Kronckew!

While not into repros, I must say I do like this one. A very usable melon-basher!

9th November 2012, 05:44 PM	#1
Berkley Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, Texas USA Posts: 257	FWIW, in addition to the completed auction for "UNIQUE INDO-PERSIAN MACE shamshir sword armor", the identical item is available as a "Buy it now - 1 sold, 5 available" with the identical description. Apparently the previous owner was not only well-meaning but also very busy, cleaning so many of them. The "INTERESTING DESIGNS STAMPED INTO CERTAIN PARTS OF THE SHAFT" appear to have been cast in a mold rather than stamped into the bronze or brass. The original listing, from 10/30/10, does appear to have a steel shaft and contains within the same description the following: "THE DECORATIVE COLLAR APPEARS TO BE OF THICK SILVER 100% GUARANTEED PRE-1800. EVIDENCE OF ANCIENT DEEP PITTING TO THE STEEL SHAFT AND MANY SMALL DENTS AND MARKS TO THE BRONZE HEAD THE WHOLE THING POSSIBLY(FOR MY TASTES) SLIGHTLY OVER-CLEANED BY THE, WELL MEANING, PREVIOUS OWNER WEIGHS APPROX 2.25 KG ON MY WIFES KITCHEN SCALES 26 INCHES (66 CMS LONG) OVERALL THIS MACE HAS NEVER BEEN OFFERED FOR PUBLIC SALE BEFORE NOW THIS ONE IS PART OF A SMALL COLLECTION OF FINE OR UNUSUAL INDO-PERSIAN-ISLAMIC MACES I WILL BE LISTING OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS." On 3/14/11 the next listing shows the brass shaft and omits the language from the original listing. Attached Images Last edited by Berkley; 9th November 2012 at 06:01 PM.

9th November 2012, 11:59 PM	#2
Stan S. Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Brooklyn, NY USA Posts: 227	I have to confirm that this is a modern repro/fake that comes from China. I know the seller on ebay carrying these and was eyeing one for myself a while back. It's a nice mace for sure but definetely not an antique

10th November 2012, 07:08 AM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,238	good, as i suspected, i wanted a reproduction anyway. i stumbled across it while searching for this repro. i found the co. that supplied them for the movie (van helsing). it cost me more that the indo-chinese one. anyhow, now i don't have to worry about messing up a real antique. at least the 'previous owner' didn't seem to dent mine. berk, your photos are better too.

23rd November 2012, 08:22 AM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,238	well, the indian mace actually arrived yesterday. not quite so 'cleaned' as in the pictures. a bit of green gunge with a half hearted attempt to chemically patinate the head. the shaft that appears silvery in the photo is actually cast integrally with the rest. all bronze; tested with a strong magnet. cleaned off the phoney verdegris & it looks a lot better. actually feels fairly good in the hand & it's a shame it arrived a tad late for experimental pumpkin bashing.

23rd November 2012, 01:34 PM	#5
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,184	Ahh, but there's always watermelon and cantaloupes, Kronckew! While not into repros, I must say I do like this one. A very usable melon-basher!