Origin of this dagger?

kai · 1st November 2012, 12:50 AM

While sound experience often gives a quite ok answer within seconds, I agree that serious examination up to scientific standards would be preferable; DNA sequencing may even narrow down the origin (of the material if not the whole piece).

Regarding marine ivory, I guess that many pieces believed to be Dugong are much more likely sperm whale; the latter have been regularly caught throughout the archipelago and a single whale yields a lot of teeth while obtaining a really large male dugong seems less straightforward...

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 1st November 2012, 01:09 PM

Hello,

just get a mail from my friend. He think that it is dugong or very old and worn hippo ivory. When you can see in the cracks black dots in a line it is hippo ivory. He say the look from up on the handle speak for dugong.
But he is like I am nearly sure that it isn't bone.

Like said before, it is difficult to give a save opinion by pictures only.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 1st November 2012, 01:12 PM

BTW, he give also the hint that it could be a Nias knife.

kai · 12th November 2012, 08:48 PM

Hello Detlef,

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Originally Posted by Sajen

BTW, he give also the hint that it could be a Nias knife.

Interesting suggestion - thanks!

With the missing silver bands and a likely replaced ferrule, there's not much left to base any origin on. IMVHO though, I don't believe in a Nias origin because the hilt/pommel doesn't seem to have any specific feature which could be safely attributed to (northern?) Nias craftmanship and also the blade doesn't strike me as typical, too. Just trying to keep the ball rolling - I'd love to be proven wrong and learn something new!

Any chance to take close-ups of those possible forging flaws or features of the blade?

Regards,
Kai

kai · 12th November 2012, 08:39 PM

Thanks for chiming in, ASH! Working this material with relatively brittle stone tools is certainly a feat! Any Polynesian examples that you can share?

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Originally Posted by kai

Regarding marine ivory, I guess that many pieces believed to be Dugong are much more likely sperm whale

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Originally Posted by David

I suspect that this is the material most often used where claims of dugong have been made.

Gimme five, David!

Regards,
Kai

1st November 2012, 12:50 AM	#1
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	While sound experience often gives a quite ok answer within seconds, I agree that serious examination up to scientific standards would be preferable; DNA sequencing may even narrow down the origin (of the material if not the whole piece). Regarding marine ivory, I guess that many pieces believed to be Dugong are much more likely sperm whale; the latter have been regularly caught throughout the archipelago and a single whale yields a lot of teeth while obtaining a really large male dugong seems less straightforward... Regards, Kai

1st November 2012, 01:09 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Hello, just get a mail from my friend. He think that it is dugong or very old and worn hippo ivory. When you can see in the cracks black dots in a line it is hippo ivory. He say the look from up on the handle speak for dugong. But he is like I am nearly sure that it isn't bone. Like said before, it is difficult to give a save opinion by pictures only. Regards, Detlef

1st November 2012, 01:12 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	BTW, he give also the hint that it could be a Nias knife.