And again a kris!

Battara · 25th October 2012, 02:49 AM

You may be onto something Barry. I think that on Maguindanao kris the "eagle" is actually that, not the "elephant" look.

I agree that this is old, but that "eagle" is a form I have not seen much of. So I look at the inlaid okir on the blade, which looks either Maranao or Maguindanao.

Spunjer · 25th October 2012, 03:02 AM

in Mindanao and Sulu, Barry, it's the chicken. with supernatural power.

Battara · 25th October 2012, 05:01 AM

So Ron you think this is the sarimanok?

By the way, Detief, you have pm.........

Spunjer · 25th October 2012, 01:23 PM

not quite sure if it's chicken (sarimanok), or a sarinaga, jose. need to see the whole form... for instance, in this aprticular Maranao kris, we have a sarinaga.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13413
barry made a good point tho, regarding the importance of birds in the old belief. me and lorenz had an interesting discussion regarding this topic. perhaps he can chime in.

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INSTEAD OF THE LOUD AND OFTEN OBNOXIOUS COCATOO WHICH TO MY KNOWLEGE HAS NO PLACE IN TRIBAL FOLKLORE IN THE PHILIPPINES.

you nailed this one right on the head, barry!

as far as the eagle tho: the philippines have the monkey eating eagle, or philippine eagle..

Sajen · 25th October 2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

You may be onto something Barry. I think that on Maguindanao kris the "eagle" is actually that, not the "elephant" look.

I agree that this is old, but that "eagle" is a form I have not seen much of. So I look at the inlaid okir on the blade, which looks either Maranao or Maguindanao.

Hello Jose,

thank you for comment and email!

So I am not the only one who have a problem by the "eagle" katik (kembang kacang) area.

Any thoughts about the age from this blade?

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 25th October 2012, 09:17 PM

Just noted that i have forgotten to upload one picture from the auction. This picture is very interesting since it seems that the tang is round.
Any thoughts?

Maurice · 25th October 2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Just noted that i have forgotten to upload one picture from the auction. This picture is very interesting since it seems that the tang is round.
Any thoughts?

That's indeed interesting!
Ps. why are they always turning around the handle the wrong way when it had been loose?

Atlantia · 25th October 2012, 10:40 PM

Hi Detlef.

I really like the way that the first 'luk' is so close to the ganga. It really makes the 'waves' look more natural and flowing.

I look forward to seeing waht you do with it.
Best
gene

Sajen · 26th October 2012, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi Detlef.

I really like the way that the first 'luk' is so close to the ganga. It really makes the 'waves' look more natural and flowing.

I look forward to seeing waht you do with it.
Best
gene

Hi Gene,

I think that this is one reason what let me bid. I really can't remember to have seen such a blade before.

I will keep you updated about the progress.

Best regards,

Detlef

Battara · 26th October 2012, 02:59 AM

Well it is not really round, but slightly squarish at the ganga.

That being said, I am wondering if this might not be early 1800s. Hard to pin down.

Timo Nieminen · 25th October 2012, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

Ps. why are they always turning around the handle the wrong way when it had been loose?

The ganja is so obviously a hand-guard, and the rest follows. Natural enough, I think, if one doesn't know about these weapons, and doesn't know where to look for information, and doesn't have a feel for the ergonomics, and the handle is unattached. But often I think a handle is removed and turned around; which I have less understanding of. "Here is something I know nothing about, but I know I know more about it than the previous owners, or the ignorant maker"?

Sajen · 26th October 2012, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

That's indeed interesting!
Ps. why are they always turning around the handle the wrong way when it had been loose?

Hi Maurice,

yes, I think so. My interest is if it has to do with the age of the blade or the origin.

For the second point I think that Timo give the answer.

Regards,

Detlef

Maurice · 26th October 2012, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

For the second point I think that Timo give the answer.

Regards,

Detlef

Hi Detlef,

Ofcourse, I was only joking as I crossed another recent thread with the handle the wrong way...

Regards,
Maurice

25th October 2012, 09:17 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,431	Just noted that i have forgotten to upload one picture from the auction. This picture is very interesting since it seems that the tang is round. Any thoughts? Attached Images

25th October 2012, 02:49 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,346	You may be onto something Barry. I think that on Maguindanao kris the "eagle" is actually that, not the "elephant" look. I agree that this is old, but that "eagle" is a form I have not seen much of. So I look at the inlaid okir on the blade, which looks either Maranao or Maguindanao.

25th October 2012, 03:02 AM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	in Mindanao and Sulu, Barry, it's the chicken. with supernatural power.

25th October 2012, 05:01 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,346	So Ron you think this is the sarimanok? By the way, Detief, you have pm.........

25th October 2012, 10:40 PM	#8
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Detlef. I really like the way that the first 'luk' is so close to the ganga. It really makes the 'waves' look more natural and flowing. I look forward to seeing waht you do with it. Best gene

26th October 2012, 02:59 AM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,346	Well it is not really round, but slightly squarish at the ganga. That being said, I am wondering if this might not be early 1800s. Hard to pin down.