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Battara · 25th October 2012, 01:45 AM

As I look at this again, I guess I was a little fooled by the asang-asang. They are truly done later than the blade. Their style and thinness sort of look Indonesian or Malay to me, if they were original and on a Malay or Indonesian sundang.

Indianajones · 29th October 2012, 10:00 AM

Jacques,
have a look at a pic Battara posted under the topic 'barong beauty'. The last pic he posted will show exactly your type of kris with the thin rattan lashing I meant (now gone and replaced by MOPshell) though with the engraved mop-shell pieces atop and bottom of the scabbard!

David · 29th October 2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Indianajones

Jacques,
have a look at a pic Battara posted under the topic 'barong beauty'. The last pic he posted will show exactly your type of kris with the thin rattan lashing I meant (now gone and replaced by MOPshell) though with the engraved mop-shell pieces atop and bottom of the scabbard!

Well, actually it shows a similar dress form. The blades on these two kris are quite different...

Indianajones · 29th October 2012, 04:25 PM

Okee, so the kris from Jacques and the kris from the pic would have a different place of origin David? I may know a bit but am far from an expert on this area. I understand the blade is Sulu so would also the whole kris be considered Sulu?
One can also notice the handle on the picture-kris is indeed in the opposite direction as the kris in question, as CharlesS noticed (first).

kai · 29th October 2012, 09:23 PM

Hello Wouter,

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I understand the blade is Sulu so would also the whole kris be considered Sulu?

IMHO both kris are Sulu: blades as well as their fittings; the blade in the pic above may be younger (WW2 period?) though. (Not possible to be certain from the limited resolution.)

Regards,
Kai

David · 29th October 2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Indianajones

Okee, so the kris from Jacques and the kris from the pic would have a different place of origin David?

I wasn't suggesting that at all Wouter. I was merely pointing out that these 2 kris are indeed very different in style, not "exactly" the same type and that only their dress was similar. The blade forms are completely different. Origin was not my subject of discussion here.

Battara · 29th October 2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Well, actually it shows a similar dress form. The blades on these two kris are quite different...

Yes this picture is from the 1960s........

kai · 29th October 2012, 09:28 PM

Hello Jose,

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As I look at this again, I guess I was a little fooled by the asang-asang. They are truly done later than the blade. Their style and thinness sort of look Indonesian or Malay to me, if they were original and on a Malay or Indonesian sundang.

Yes, I forgot to comment on the asang-asang which appear to be later than the blade. It's well possible that these got replaced during on of the later restorations this kris apparently went through.

BTW, the other kris above also displays rather thin/slender asang-asang and may be from a similar period than our estimated replacement...

Regards,
Kai

25th October 2012, 01:45 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,270	As I look at this again, I guess I was a little fooled by the asang-asang. They are truly done later than the blade. Their style and thinness sort of look Indonesian or Malay to me, if they were original and on a Malay or Indonesian sundang.

29th October 2012, 10:00 AM	#2
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Jacques, have a look at a pic Battara posted under the topic 'barong beauty'. The last pic he posted will show exactly your type of kris with the thin rattan lashing I meant (now gone and replaced by MOPshell) though with the engraved mop-shell pieces atop and bottom of the scabbard!

29th October 2012, 04:25 PM	#4
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Okee, so the kris from Jacques and the kris from the pic would have a different place of origin David? I may know a bit but am far from an expert on this area. I understand the blade is Sulu so would also the whole kris be considered Sulu? One can also notice the handle on the picture-kris is indeed in the opposite direction as the kris in question, as CharlesS noticed (first).