Nagasasra luk 11

[satsujinken]

Originally Posted by David

Are you presenting these current era keris to support your own suggestion that yours is Mataram?

nope ...
I stand by my opinion that both are kamardikan, but perhaps the other one has better garap and aged so it may looked older than it actually is, whilst the other is not

this opinion regarding Mataram nom is coming from my friend, a keris collector here in Surabaya

my intention is purely to show comparison and how tangguh is not a measurable concept

perhaps someday technology will enable us to send keris to other member so they can held it in their arms and then send it back in a split second ...

3 D printers ??

[A. G. Maisey]

Of course tangguh is not a measurable concept : it was never intended to be.

It is an opinion.

If you get a number of people with a similar high level of experience you will get minimal variation in opinion on tangguh. Old will never, ever be confused with recent. Surakarta will never be confused with Mataram.

If you get a number of half-baked nitwits providing opinions, especially half-baked nitwits trying to sell keris, you'll get Koripan presented as Mataram Sultan Agung and God alone knows what other stupidity.

The problem is that for many years tangguh has been used incorrectly, by both dealers and collectors, and it has completely moved away from what it was originally intended to provide:- a system that would permit the estimate of an approximate value for an investment property.

It was never intended to be applied to run-of-the-mill keris churned out as a common man's weapon or dress item.

[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

It was never intended to be applied to run-of-the-mill keris churned out as a common man's weapon or dress item.

Perhaps we need to take this statement and place it at as a "sticky" at the top of the forum since it seems to be something that so often needs repeating...

[satsujinken]

so ... can we close this discussion with conclusion that both keris are kamardikan, with different quality garap ??

or perhaps I am mistaken and both are lower end quality ??

[David]

Originally Posted by satsujinken

so ... can we close this discussion with conclusion that both keris are kamardikan, with different quality garap ??

I am afraid discussions are never quite closed, barring transgressions of rules that require such action from the moderation end. While the discussion might well come to some kind of closure for the time being you just never know when a past thread might find new life in the future with added input and data...

[satsujinken]

Originally Posted by David

I am afraid discussions are never quite closed, barring transgressions of rules that require such action from the moderation end. While the discussion might well come to some kind of closure for the time being you just never know when a past thread might find new life in the future with added input and data...

you're the boss, David
thank you ... I am happy enough with the sharing and the warm welcome

[David]

Well Donny, not so much a matter of being the boss...just the way the forum works...