Indo Persian Helmet--top missing?

A Senefelder · 5th September 2012, 01:05 PM

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close up of the chainmail links please.

Yes please, it appears theres a chance the maille might be riveted which can be an aid in dating but cannot say with any certainty from these pics that this is so.

AJ1356 · 5th September 2012, 01:38 PM

I believe it is Indian made in the "Persian" style, Since all these countries were most times ruled by the same dynasties, most of the arms and armour were about the same with little variations in specific areas. It is not missing the top spike, the top hole would be to put feather or plumes. At least that is how the hole looks to me, if the spike was broken off the hole would be jagged.

CharlesS · 5th September 2012, 02:24 PM

I do believe the top bulb would have contained a spike, either of the shorter Persian style or a more elongated form. If it were for plumes or feathers there would still need to be some sort of cylindrical holder on top, and not just a hole.

I can suggest a good restorer that can build this for you and correct the damaged mail. If interested just email me.

Atlantia · 5th September 2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by A Senefelder

Yes please, it appears theres a chance the maille might be riveted which can be an aid in dating but cannot say with any certainty from these pics that this is so.

Yes, the chainmail appears to be riveted links but held onto the bowl with simple butted links. (A close up picture is definately needed)
It's very much like the 'better' pieces coming out of India at the moment often being sold as 'antique'.
It doesn't have the look of an 18thC piece to me.
It could be modern.
I don't see any wear on the gold koftgari or any old patination.

What keeps the nasal bar in the upright position, I don't see any mechanism? If it's just friction then I don't see any wear on the koftgari on the bar itself, which you'd expect if it's been sliding up and down over many years.
Need some more info really. Definately interior shots, in fact some more close ups in clear focus would also be helpful.

Reattaching the chainmail is easy, even the missing riveted links can be bought on fleabay from Indian sources relatively cheaply.
Remaking the missing spike is also not a problem I've made them with nothing more than a bench-grinder and files.

ALEX · 5th September 2012, 03:36 PM

Good observation, Gene. I also believe this is a modern made Indian piece.

Atlantia · 5th September 2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

Good observation, Gene. I also believe this is a modern made Indian piece.

Thanks buddy

5th September 2012, 01:38 PM	#2
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	I believe it is Indian made in the "Persian" style, Since all these countries were most times ruled by the same dynasties, most of the arms and armour were about the same with little variations in specific areas. It is not missing the top spike, the top hole would be to put feather or plumes. At least that is how the hole looks to me, if the spike was broken off the hole would be jagged.

5th September 2012, 02:24 PM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	I do believe the top bulb would have contained a spike, either of the shorter Persian style or a more elongated form. If it were for plumes or feathers there would still need to be some sort of cylindrical holder on top, and not just a hole. I can suggest a good restorer that can build this for you and correct the damaged mail. If interested just email me.

5th September 2012, 03:36 PM	#5
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Good observation, Gene. I also believe this is a modern made Indian piece.