Just Ended On Epray ????

Sajen · 3rd September 2012, 11:32 AM

Hi Robert,

I have followed the auction and know the seller. He stated that the panabas is old but I have my doubts by the fittings. When I am you I would contact the seller and ask him about this. He selling most of the time very nice worked recent kris, kampilan and kris handle. Since he stated that the panabas is old I suppose that the blade is an old one with new fittings.

From the pictures it look like this, sorry. Still a nice catch by this price.

Regards,

Detlef

Nathaniel · 3rd September 2012, 12:49 PM

I vote Philipine blade as well. There is no Thai blade of that style. There are some large southern Thai sickle style blades with turned handles almost similar but they are ethnic Malay and do not have long ferrules.

Battara · 3rd September 2012, 05:23 PM

The piece is a Moro panabas. The style is Moro and the okir decoration is Moro, perhaps Sulu.

Robert · 3rd September 2012, 08:40 PM

I would like to thank everyone who have commented so far for their help and interest.
Jose, thank you for confirming that it is Moro and its possible place of origin as Sulu.
I know that I have seen another piece with a hilt like this posted somewhere here on the forum of possibly on another forum or sales site. It matches this hilt down to the end cap with small "ivory" knob on the end. If anyone knows of this post and photo, please post a link or contact by PM if it is on a sales site.
Detlef, the seller states that in his opinion this is an old piece and all parts are original to it. For the price paid I thought it would be worth the risk to be able to add it to my collection. If anyone else can add to what has already been said or have any other comments on this they would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all again.

Regards,
Robert

Battara · 3rd September 2012, 10:37 PM

I do have to admit, however, the style of blade is not typical of what I have seen as old and traditional. However, it does look Moro for sure.

Robert · 5th September 2012, 07:23 AM

Hello Jose and again I thank you for your continued interest and comments on this unusual piece. I read somewhere that this is an older style of blade and is supposed to represent a crocodile viewed from the side with its eyes just above the water line. I just wish that I could remember where it was that I read it so I could post the source. As for the actual age of this piece I am quite sure you are a much better judge on that than I am.

Regards,
Robert

CharlesS · 5th September 2012, 02:29 PM

The okir decoration may be correct, but I am not sure that it is old. I am certain that the wooden hilt is a newer restoration.

The seller of this piece is quite aware of the value of an older pananbas, and based on what he was asking for this one, I think it was an acknowledgement that something was "off".

5th September 2012, 07:23 AM	#6
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Jose and again I thank you for your continued interest and comments on this unusual piece. I read somewhere that this is an older style of blade and is supposed to represent a crocodile viewed from the side with its eyes just above the water line. I just wish that I could remember where it was that I read it so I could post the source. As for the actual age of this piece I am quite sure you are a much better judge on that than I am. Regards, Robert Attached Images

3rd September 2012, 11:32 AM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,270	Hi Robert, I have followed the auction and know the seller. He stated that the panabas is old but I have my doubts by the fittings. When I am you I would contact the seller and ask him about this. He selling most of the time very nice worked recent kris, kampilan and kris handle. Since he stated that the panabas is old I suppose that the blade is an old one with new fittings. From the pictures it look like this, sorry. Still a nice catch by this price. Regards, Detlef

3rd September 2012, 12:49 PM	#2
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	I vote Philipine blade as well. There is no Thai blade of that style. There are some large southern Thai sickle style blades with turned handles almost similar but they are ethnic Malay and do not have long ferrules.

3rd September 2012, 05:23 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	The piece is a Moro panabas. The style is Moro and the okir decoration is Moro, perhaps Sulu.

3rd September 2012, 08:40 PM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	I would like to thank everyone who have commented so far for their help and interest. Jose, thank you for confirming that it is Moro and its possible place of origin as Sulu. I know that I have seen another piece with a hilt like this posted somewhere here on the forum of possibly on another forum or sales site. It matches this hilt down to the end cap with small "ivory" knob on the end. If anyone knows of this post and photo, please post a link or contact by PM if it is on a sales site. Detlef, the seller states that in his opinion this is an old piece and all parts are original to it. For the price paid I thought it would be worth the risk to be able to add it to my collection. If anyone else can add to what has already been said or have any other comments on this they would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all again. Regards, Robert

3rd September 2012, 10:37 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	I do have to admit, however, the style of blade is not typical of what I have seen as old and traditional. However, it does look Moro for sure.

5th September 2012, 02:29 PM	#7
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	The okir decoration may be correct, but I am not sure that it is old. I am certain that the wooden hilt is a newer restoration. The seller of this piece is quite aware of the value of an older pananbas, and based on what he was asking for this one, I think it was an acknowledgement that something was "off".