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[Nathaniel]

Nice dha by the way Fernado! I like the herring bone weave on the handle and the engraving on the handle is nicely done. Thanks for sharing!

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Nathaniel

Nice dha by the way Fernado! I like the herring bone weave on the handle and the engraving on the handle is nicely done. Thanks for sharing!

Thanks Nathaniel; for your words and for the Kachin girls link .

[fernando]

Say guys:
Any chance this sword is earlier than 20th century ?
... The silver patination is influencing me to think about (even if late) 19th century .

[Royston]

Hello Fernando

This is the end of the one I recently posted. As you can see, it is almost identical to yours except that mine has been plugged.

I am not convinced that it is bamboo as the the wall thickness is much greater than I would expect.

Regards
Roy

[Andrew]

Royston, I am even more certain that your's is bamboo--that "cell-like" structure viewing it from the distal end is a dead-giveaway. Some bamboo is quite thick...

[Rick]

There are types of bamboo that do not have a hollow core, so I would agree with Andrew .

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Royston

I am not convinced that it is bamboo as the the wall thickness is much greater than I would expect.

Regards
Roy

Hello Roy,

have a look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4093

Best regards,

Detlef

[Ferguson]

I have never seen thick walled bamboo like that. But I started Googling thick walled bamboo and found that it is common. Certain varieties like Bambusa burmanica (found in Thailand and Burma) have very thick walls. It's amazing how our interest in ethnographic weapons leads us into other areas!

Steve

[Royston]

OK Gents

I stand corrected on the wall thicknesses of bamboo. I'm too used to seeing the thin-walled types that we get here in the UK.

Detlef, your link appears to be about coconut, not bamboo. ( Nice pictures though )

Regards
Roy

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Ferguson

... It's amazing how our interest in ethnographic weapons leads us into other areas!...

Absolutely.
I often tell people that a large (largest?) part of my present (insignificant) knowledge is due to arms collecting side efects.
... The launching base being this forum .

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by fernando

Say guys:
Any chance this sword is earlier than 20th century ?
... The silver patination is influencing me to think about (even if late) 19th century .

Possibly. My estimate was just that. The distinction of late 19th vs. early 20th c. is largely one without a real difference.

BTW, silver patination can be a difficult thing to base age estimates on--some silver alloys can develop dark, heavy patination very quickly...

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Andrew

...The distinction of late 19th vs. early 20th c. is largely one without a real difference...

In a mere counting way yes, you're right; but in certain other aspects ... means a lot .

Originally Posted by Andrew

... BTW, silver patination can be a difficult thing to base age estimates on--some silver alloys can develop dark, heavy patination very quickly...

Sure thing; duly noted


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[lordkoos]

The woven part of the handle would be rattan, ie shredded palm leaf, some varieties produce very strong fibers.

[Battara]

Originally Posted by lordkoos

The woven part of the handle would be rattan, ie shredded palm leaf, some varieties produce very strong fibers.

Well.........um..........actually rattan comes from a jungle vine plant that is stripped into long strands.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by lordkoos

The woven part of the handle would be rattan, ie shredded palm leaf, some varieties produce very strong fibers.

Not likely on this particular weapon. Textile weaving is a well-established art form in the region and among the ethnic groups found there.

[fernando]

Do these help ?


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[aiontay]

Nathaniel,

I've spent plenty of time with Kachin people in Thailand (the exile community in Chiang Mai) among the Kachins in the Northern Shan State, and the Kachin here in Oklahoma. Yeah, Oklahoma. There is a Kachin woman (Maru) from Kutkai whose aunt and uncle worked for me on a crop substitution project who now lives about 3 miles from my parents' house in Tulsa, OK. My thesis is on the Kachins. All this to say that Jinghpaw does not necessarily equal Kachin. In fact, the majority of the ten Kachin families in Tulsa are not Jinghpaw. Around Kutkai there were plenty of Maru, Lashi, and Atsi. And then there are those Lisu, who sometimes are and sometimes aren't Kachin.

[Nathaniel]

Originally Posted by aiontay

Nathaniel,

I've spent plenty of time with Kachin people in Thailand (the exile community in Chiang Mai) among the Kachins in the Northern Shan State, and the Kachin here in Oklahoma. Yeah, Oklahoma. There is a Kachin woman (Maru) from Kutkai whose aunt and uncle worked for me on a crop substitution project who now lives about 3 miles from my parents' house in Tulsa, OK. My thesis is on the Kachins. All this to say that Jinghpaw does not necessarily equal Kachin. In fact, the majority of the ten Kachin families in Tulsa are not Jinghpaw. Around Kutkai there were plenty of Maru, Lashi, and Atsi. And then there are those Lisu, who sometimes are and sometimes aren't Kachin.

Thanks Ainotay for the background. Still all confusing to me...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kachin_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingpo_...Categorization
I read different books that mention the different classification systems and can't keep things straight. I think I need to make a flow chart so I can keep the different tribal groups straight and the different names for the same group...ie Thai name for a certain group and the Burmese name, Chinese, Lao, etc for the same group.