Sword hilt for ID

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Ah, well we have an old saying, "What's good for the Goose" ...

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by fernando

LOL sorry, haven't you heard that one?
"What's good for the goose is good for the Gander"


I didn't realise it was OK to post incomplete pictures of items when asking for ID's until you posted this hilt.

Which is good because now I can post that blade stamp I wanted to identify.


On the subject of your hilt I think the bird has to be the big clue.
It's so distintive and exotic.

Again I'm reminded of the cast bronze stylised 'beast head' hilts of the west Indies bandsmens swords from the 19thC.

But for some reason this one makes me think VOC/Dutch east indies. Even though as has been said, it does have a Spanish/S.A feel to it

Edit:
Not the same, but possibly something approaching it is this Dutch east india co sword, dated by the dealer to cicra 1620 (?).

[fernando]

Thanks for the picture of the Dutch India example and added suggestions, Gene .

Originally Posted by Atlantia

LOL sorry, haven't you heard that one?
"What's good for the goose is good for the Gander"
I didn't realise it was OK to post incomplete pictures of items when asking for ID's until you posted this hilt.
Which is good because now I can post that blade stamp I wanted to identify. ...

I confess i haven't heard of that one before, but i have googled for it before i posted my 'confused' smily. My doubt wasn't the meaning of the saying but the logic for you having used it.
The issue is not being or not O.K. to post pictures of partial items, but to encourage the upload of pictures of the full piece, if one is able to get them , for better appreciation and more well based identification ... and for the sake of more solid material for the forum archives. It is not prohibited to post parts of a weapon, if you don't have access to the rest of them, or even if you only have that part.
In this specific case, pictures of the full sword and a close up of the blade marks were surpringly achieved in no time and here they are. It should be added that the blade has a false edge in last section.
Perhaps through the marks (symbols) we can have you guys to extend your comments on the typology and provenance of this sword.
... for which i would be thankfull.


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[Atlantia]

Found a pic of the rest of that sword:

[M ELEY]

Nice pics of both swords. Gene, I like this Dutch hanger very much, especially the lion motifs carved into the ivory hilt. Back to Fernando's sword. Having seen the blade, which is also a classic hanger pattern, I stick by my original opinion of American, possibly made in New Spain for the market. Hartzler's book really is a valuable source, with multiple pics of eagle-hilts from the original Medicus collection plus many 'one-offs' like this one. Most colonial Spanish swords didn't have hanger-type blades, but more of the straight espada types. The few I've seen with curved blades were either massively long, or of a more crude construction. Not so sure about those marks-
It should be noted that the two most common types of weapons with eagle-type hilts in this time period were American and/or New Spain/Mexican.

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by M ELEY

Nice pics of both swords. Gene, I like this Dutch hanger very much, especially the lion motifs carved into the ivory hilt. Back to Fernando's sword. Having seen the blade, which is also a classic hanger pattern, I stick by my original opinion of American, possibly made in New Spain for the market. Hartzler's book really is a valuable source, with multiple pics of eagle-hilts from the original Medicus collection plus many 'one-offs' like this one. Most colonial Spanish swords didn't have hanger-type blades, but more of the straight espada types. The few I've seen with curved blades were either massively long, or of a more crude construction. Not so sure about those marks-
It should be noted that the two most common types of weapons with eagle-type hilts in this time period were American and/or New Spain/Mexican.

Notice the bird heads on the ends of the quillions?
I like the Ivory hilted one as well mate.