Moro Kris?

Kipinga50 · 14th July 2012, 11:14 PM

The seller in Rotterdam, told me that it was a Malay Kris, but I doubt he knows more than me.

kai · 14th July 2012, 11:23 PM

I meant wether it came from a Dutch collection (which?), some auction (where?), or directly from Indonesia/Malaysia.

Regards,
Kai

harimauhk · 27th July 2012, 11:10 AM

Could this be what the Malays call a sundang?

Battara · 27th July 2012, 05:47 PM

Yes, although there are some subtle differences between the Malay sundang and Moro krises.

ariel · 27th July 2012, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Yes, although there are some subtle differences between the Malay sundang and Moro krises.

Such as?
Can you educate me (us)?

Battara · 28th July 2012, 02:43 AM

That would take a while Ariel. However to mention a few things:

1. there are differences in okir - Malay is more "realistic" than the more stylized forms used by Moro groups, even more than that of the Sulu region.

2. the pommel is often tilted at close to a 45 degree angle and smaller. Moro older forms may be smaller but are not as angled in general, and later ones are larger and again not as angled.

3. the hilt section between the blade and the pommel has a more sculpted shape, often without a ferrule to speak of. This section where a ferrule would be is also often much smaller than the rest of the hilt in circumference. In Moro forms the same region under the pommel is not as sculpted and there is a large ferrule - sometimes as large as half the hilt.

4. the clamps between the hilt and the blade on Malay pieces are very thin and plain, but Moro clamps are often wider, and can be plain or have Moro okir.

5. the scabbards of good Malay examples have very long band sections of Malay okir. Moro bands are not as long down the length but have thinner bands of plain or okir work.

These are just some of the things that come quickly to mind at the moment.

Lew · 3rd December 2012, 04:25 AM

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14th July 2012, 11:14 PM	#1
Kipinga50 Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Sao Vicente Posts: 28	The seller in Rotterdam, told me that it was a Malay Kris, but I doubt he knows more than me.

14th July 2012, 11:23 PM	#2
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	I meant wether it came from a Dutch collection (which?), some auction (where?), or directly from Indonesia/Malaysia. Regards, Kai

27th July 2012, 11:10 AM	#3
harimauhk Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 88	Could this be what the Malays call a sundang?

27th July 2012, 05:47 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,270	Yes, although there are some subtle differences between the Malay sundang and Moro krises.

28th July 2012, 02:43 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,270	That would take a while Ariel. However to mention a few things: 1. there are differences in okir - Malay is more "realistic" than the more stylized forms used by Moro groups, even more than that of the Sulu region. 2. the pommel is often tilted at close to a 45 degree angle and smaller. Moro older forms may be smaller but are not as angled in general, and later ones are larger and again not as angled. 3. the hilt section between the blade and the pommel has a more sculpted shape, often without a ferrule to speak of. This section where a ferrule would be is also often much smaller than the rest of the hilt in circumference. In Moro forms the same region under the pommel is not as sculpted and there is a large ferrule - sometimes as large as half the hilt. 4. the clamps between the hilt and the blade on Malay pieces are very thin and plain, but Moro clamps are often wider, and can be plain or have Moro okir. 5. the scabbards of good Malay examples have very long band sections of Malay okir. Moro bands are not as long down the length but have thinner bands of plain or okir work. These are just some of the things that come quickly to mind at the moment.