pikes for identification

[weapons 27]

can identify you these Pikes, they are forged...for hunting or military???

thank

[M ELEY]

Nice pieces! I think from their pattern that they are perhaps Javanese? The haft also appears to be a tropical wood. Just a guess, though. Let's see what the others think-
Mark

[Rick]

I'm not thinking they're Javan/Indonesian Mark .
The gestalt ain't there .
The sockets look too crude, plus most Javan/Indonesian spears are tanged .

I have no guesses about origin though unless China .

[Matchlock]

These seem to be so-called peasants weapons (German Kriegsgabeln), Central to Northern Europe (possibly Germanic, e.g. Italian, Swiss, Austrian or German), probably 17th-18th c. though they had been in use for at least a thousand years before.

Attached are scans from a medieval painting of ca. 1440-45.

Best,
Michael

[weapons 27]

I think that the wooden handles are not original, that they have been added after does not rely a them

antoine

[weapons 27]

photos of sleeves, I do not know if they are original?

[adrian]

Just a thought, but they do look like they may have been made as musket rests as primary purpose & a "pike" as secondary use - musket rests were of a time before bayonets became common.
Adrian

[Matchlock]

Originally Posted by adrian

Just a thought, but they do look like they may have been made as musket rests as primary purpose & a "pike" as secondary use - musket rests were of a time before bayonets became common.
Adrian

Musket rests, which were in use from the early 16th to the mid-17th c., normally had scrolled upper finials to avoid harm. There were some early types though to feature one spiked end which served as a thrusting weapon.

Attached please find samples of 16th to 17th c. musket rests from my collection, and a piece of period artwork from the inventories of the armories of King Maximilian I, ca. 1507.


Best,
m

[Matchlock]

Originally Posted by weapons 27

photos of sleeves, I do not know if they are original?

Hi weapons 27,


The lower ends of these hafts are highly unusual in not being equipped with pointed iron shoes and, additionally, are rounded which makes any use both unpractical and unlikely.
The wooden hafts should at least end flat as was the case with pike hafts.

I do not think these items have a European provenance.

Could you give the overall lengths of the pieces?


Best,
Michael

[Matchlock]

For threads on early European pikes please see

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=pikes

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=pikes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_%28weapon%29


Attached are photos of a group of Thirty Years War pikemen (infantry) against cavalry in the Tojhusmuseet of Copenhagen, and of a reenactment scene in the style of the late 16th c.


m

[weapons 27]

hi matchlock

the length is about 1 m 30 a 1 m 45 for the longer

[weapons 27]

Here are five other Pikes, known in france peaks a wolves, would have been used to repel the attacks of wolves?????

[Matchlock]

A fine and unusual Swiss musket rest for a heavy matchlock musket, ca. 1600-20, combined with a very rare match holder serpentine corresponding to that of the musket, on its original carved and figured ash-wood haft and fitted with a characteristic pointed iron and copper-soldered shoe.
The iron parts retaining their 'untouched' original blackened surface.

Interestingly enough, the shoe is pierced for a nail which was never there though. Anyway, it fitted perfectly without a nail for 400 years!

Author's collection.

Best,
m

[Matchlock]

Originally Posted by weapons 27

Here are five other Pikes, known in france peaks a wolves, would have been used to repel the attacks of wolves?????

That's possible though I rather believe they were used by the peasants to fend off people.

m

[Matchlock]

Originally Posted by weapons 27

hi matchlock

the length is about 1 m 30 a 1 m 45 for the longer

They are way too short to ever have been 'pikes'.

m

[Shimmerxxx]

Could these be Military Forks?

See figs 1 & 6 on first plate and fig 1 on second.

(This is my first time posting images on this forum, hope I'm doing it right).

[weapons 27]

hi shimmer xxx
Thanks for the documents, there is a large resemblance

[Matchlock]

As I pointed out before, these hafted weapons are way too large to be compared to your sort of miniaturized pieces, the rear of the hafts ending round instead of flat or in a pointed iron shoe.

m