How to determine if blade has bloodstains??

erlikhan · 5th September 2005, 08:27 AM

Gorgeous,gold-silver decorated,carved blades were not used in battles.They were too expensive for that. Thats why many of them dont have nicks at all.They were just for show. Battle ones were very simple. If those ones are considered, most of them were used and had blood stains once or more in their lifetime for sure and were cleaned as soon as possible. It doesnt has to stain the blade. Once I wounded my hand quite deeply by a sword while cleaning it, and some blood stayed on the blade for almost 24 hours till I had oppurtunity to clean it. Now there is no sign of this battle

on it.

zamboanga · 5th September 2005, 08:49 AM

would animal blood have the same effect on a blade as human blood?

some moro blades are also used to slaughter cattle. the word "sumbali" (from padsumbalin) is, i understand, describes a manner how a cow is to be properly slaughtered following local culture, e.g., a single blow as much as possible.

Battara · 5th September 2005, 09:20 AM

Yes, animal blood would have the same effect since it would have hemogloben in it. I think the context with which I am referencing is that found in several pieces that US GIs have brought back that had human blood on them that lay in the hot sun and heat for a while in the battlefield. On the other hand, I had sweet tomato pulp on a high carbon steel knife sti there for a few hours accidently and it etched the blade. As far as human blood on your knife, erlikan, I would say it depends on the percentage of carbon in the steel, and the above conditions. A note: Moro steel had more carbon than our stainless steel used in cutlery. I must add, however, I have not tried cutting beef or tomatos with my kampilan yet.

Spunjer · 5th September 2005, 01:57 PM

i believe these were blood splatters that was left to dry on this kris. the angles of the etch are very consistent with a slash. one the other side, about 9 inches to the point is black, which appears to be this side was facing the ground (therefore no spray mark). again, IMO, this kris was left out in the open for a while before it was picked up. by this time the blood already etched thru the blade. just my opinion

nechesh · 5th September 2005, 02:15 PM

Spunjer, i remember when you showed this blade the first time. It seems unlikely to me that blood would lay so equally along the entire length of the blade like that. It was my impression that this patterning was some kind of forging technique.

Spunjer · 5th September 2005, 02:37 PM

hi nechesh,
i would bring this piece today in your neck of the woods, but i hate to be sorrounded by mason police when this thing triggers the metal detector while going in kings island, lol (btw, this is my third day in a row going to that place, kids been dragging me...

..)

the blackened area are actually pitted in the blade, giving it a rough texture, making me think otherwise. again, just my opinion...

Justin · 5th September 2005, 03:38 PM

I have to agree with nechesh ,the kris looks like its just showing its lamination,{I have a Moro spearhead with similar although much more faint lamination},left on the battle field or not,I think it would take hours and hours of soaking in blood before you might possibly have a permanant stain.

I have soaked blades in HYDROCHLORIC ACID to etch them and still the etch comes off with ease ,I just dont think blood in potent enough to leave a mark on the blade for years afterward.

5th September 2005, 01:57 PM	#4
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	i believe these were blood splatters that was left to dry on this kris. the angles of the etch are very consistent with a slash. one the other side, about 9 inches to the point is black, which appears to be this side was facing the ground (therefore no spray mark). again, IMO, this kris was left out in the open for a while before it was picked up. by this time the blood already etched thru the blade. just my opinion Attached Images

5th September 2005, 02:37 PM	#6
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	hi nechesh, i would bring this piece today in your neck of the woods, but i hate to be sorrounded by mason police when this thing triggers the metal detector while going in kings island, lol (btw, this is my third day in a row going to that place, kids been dragging me.....) the blackened area are actually pitted in the blade, giving it a rough texture, making me think otherwise. again, just my opinion...

5th September 2005, 03:38 PM	#7
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 182	I have to agree with nechesh ,the kris looks like its just showing its lamination,{I have a Moro spearhead with similar although much more faint lamination},left on the battle field or not,I think it would take hours and hours of soaking in blood before you might possibly have a permanant stain. I have soaked blades in HYDROCHLORIC ACID to etch them and still the etch comes off with ease ,I just dont think blood in potent enough to leave a mark on the blade for years afterward. Last edited by Justin; 5th September 2005 at 04:03 PM.

5th September 2005, 08:27 AM	#1
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Gorgeous,gold-silver decorated,carved blades were not used in battles.They were too expensive for that. Thats why many of them dont have nicks at all.They were just for show. Battle ones were very simple. If those ones are considered, most of them were used and had blood stains once or more in their lifetime for sure and were cleaned as soon as possible. It doesnt has to stain the blade. Once I wounded my hand quite deeply by a sword while cleaning it, and some blood stayed on the blade for almost 24 hours till I had oppurtunity to clean it. Now there is no sign of this battle on it.

5th September 2005, 08:49 AM	#2
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	would animal blood have the same effect on a blade as human blood? some moro blades are also used to slaughter cattle. the word "sumbali" (from padsumbalin) is, i understand, describes a manner how a cow is to be properly slaughtered following local culture, e.g., a single blow as much as possible.

5th September 2005, 09:20 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	Yes, animal blood would have the same effect since it would have hemogloben in it. I think the context with which I am referencing is that found in several pieces that US GIs have brought back that had human blood on them that lay in the hot sun and heat for a while in the battlefield. On the other hand, I had sweet tomato pulp on a high carbon steel knife sti there for a few hours accidently and it etched the blade. As far as human blood on your knife, erlikan, I would say it depends on the percentage of carbon in the steel, and the above conditions. A note: Moro steel had more carbon than our stainless steel used in cutlery. I must add, however, I have not tried cutting beef or tomatos with my kampilan yet.

5th September 2005, 02:15 PM	#5
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Spunjer, i remember when you showed this blade the first time. It seems unlikely to me that blood would lay so equally along the entire length of the blade like that. It was my impression that this patterning was some kind of forging technique.