Tabak?

Lew · 6th June 2012, 12:27 AM

Detlef

Yours probably never had a wire wrap. Below is a tabak in my collection as you can see the holes were the wire wrap was attached.

Rick · 6th June 2012, 01:59 AM

Oh yes, made from a file .

What I really like about this example is the scabbard embossing .
I find it to be a bit out of the ordinary and quite nice !

Congratulations on this one Detlef .

Lew, that is a very interesting motto on your blade, "Philippino War Knife"

D'you suppose that was added after the fact to your excellent example ?

The piece is absolutely correct, but "Krieg " ??

Or does it say "Knife" ?

Lew · 6th June 2012, 03:54 AM

Actually Rick the 31st was stationed in the Philippines in 1918 and the initials are from the sellers great uncle who was stationed in the Philippines in 1918. I've been in contact with the curator at Fort Drum and he said he would love to have it for the war museum. Of course someone must have polished the blade at one point

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http://www.drum.army.mil/AboutFortDr...useum_lv2.aspx

Btw it's knife

VANDOO · 6th June 2012, 03:59 AM

SEVERAL GREAT EXAMPLES SHOWN HERE NOT THE ONES WITH FANCY INLAYED BLADES OR CARVED HANDLES WITH SILVER BUT THE LEATHER SHEATHS ARE FIRST QUALITY ON SOME AND ALL ARE GOOD WORKING EXAMPLES.
THIS MAKES ME WONDER IF THIS DEGREE OF LEATHER WORK ORIGINATED WITH THE SPANISH PRESENCE WHO NO DOUBT COULD HAVE TAUGHT THE CRAFT TO LOCAL PHILIPINOS. THE WORKMANSHIP LOOKS SIMULAR TO SOME SPANISH WORK AND I THINK LEATHER WAS MORE IN USE IN SPAIN THAN IN THE PHILIPPINES. JUST CONJECTURE BUT IT SEEMS POSSIBLE TO ME AS WOOD SCABBARDS WOULD GENERALLY HOLD UP BETTER IN A DAMP CLIMATE AND BE EASILY AVAILABLE WHERE A LEATHER INDUSTRY MAY HAVE NOT DEVELOPED TO A LARGE EXTENT AS A RESULT. ALSO A LOT LESS CATTLE IN THE PHILIPPINES.

Lew · 6th June 2012, 04:05 AM

Maybe water buffalo leather?

Lew · 6th June 2012, 04:14 AM

This is another style of bolo from Pampanga the tip was broken off but still from the same period.

Sajen · 6th June 2012, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew

Maybe water buffalo leather?

Most probable yes!

Indianajones · 6th June 2012, 10:54 AM

Hello, Vandoo has actually a very good remark that I also never thought about before; that the leather sheats are (sort of) introduced by the Spanish. Personally I dont think the leather used is from the native carabao/waterbuffalo as am really not sure if the filipinos knew how to make leather from hide (intricate proces).
Than I guess the file would also be of Spanish origins?!
This Tabak would date before the resistance against the Spanish I reckon. As most examples after (katipunan) would have a handle carved as a fist or an officershead (wright?).

Again, a real gem Sajen! Who wouldnt want to own such a piece!?

Lew · 6th June 2012, 03:30 PM

Philippinos didn't know how to process leather? They have been forging some of the finest blades for two hundred years or more. This takes a lot of skill understanding complex heat treatments and welding skills and to say that they didn't have the skills processing leather for scabbards is ridiculous.

Sajen · 6th June 2012, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

SEVERAL GREAT EXAMPLES SHOWN HERE NOT THE ONES WITH FANCY INLAYED BLADES OR CARVED HANDLES WITH SILVER BUT THE LEATHER SHEATHS ARE FIRST QUALITY ON SOME AND ALL ARE GOOD WORKING EXAMPLES.

Agree!

Sajen · 6th June 2012, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Oh yes, made from a file .

What I really like about this example is the scabbard embossing .
I find it to be a bit out of the ordinary and quite nice !

Congratulations on this one Detlef .

Thank you Rick, yes the embossing is very nice and after the maintenance it look now much better as before.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 6th June 2012, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew

Detlef

Yours probably never had a wire wrap. Below is a tabak in my collection as you can see the holes were the wire wrap was attached.

Hello Lew,

I think so since I can't see such holes in the handle from mine. Very nice example you have there!

Regards,

Detlef

6th June 2012, 12:27 AM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Detlef Yours probably never had a wire wrap. Below is a tabak in my collection as you can see the holes were the wire wrap was attached. Attached Images

6th June 2012, 04:14 AM	#6
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	This is another style of bolo from Pampanga the tip was broken off but still from the same period. Attached Images

6th June 2012, 01:59 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Oh yes, made from a file . What I really like about this example is the scabbard embossing . I find it to be a bit out of the ordinary and quite nice ! Congratulations on this one Detlef . Lew, that is a very interesting motto on your blade, "Philippino War Knife" D'you suppose that was added after the fact to your excellent example ? The piece is absolutely correct, but "Krieg " ?? Or does it say "Knife" ?

6th June 2012, 03:54 AM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Actually Rick the 31st was stationed in the Philippines in 1918 and the initials are from the sellers great uncle who was stationed in the Philippines in 1918. I've been in contact with the curator at Fort Drum and he said he would love to have it for the war museum. Of course someone must have polished the blade at one point . http://www.drum.army.mil/AboutFortDr...useum_lv2.aspx Btw it's knife

6th June 2012, 03:59 AM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	SEVERAL GREAT EXAMPLES SHOWN HERE NOT THE ONES WITH FANCY INLAYED BLADES OR CARVED HANDLES WITH SILVER BUT THE LEATHER SHEATHS ARE FIRST QUALITY ON SOME AND ALL ARE GOOD WORKING EXAMPLES. THIS MAKES ME WONDER IF THIS DEGREE OF LEATHER WORK ORIGINATED WITH THE SPANISH PRESENCE WHO NO DOUBT COULD HAVE TAUGHT THE CRAFT TO LOCAL PHILIPINOS. THE WORKMANSHIP LOOKS SIMULAR TO SOME SPANISH WORK AND I THINK LEATHER WAS MORE IN USE IN SPAIN THAN IN THE PHILIPPINES. JUST CONJECTURE BUT IT SEEMS POSSIBLE TO ME AS WOOD SCABBARDS WOULD GENERALLY HOLD UP BETTER IN A DAMP CLIMATE AND BE EASILY AVAILABLE WHERE A LEATHER INDUSTRY MAY HAVE NOT DEVELOPED TO A LARGE EXTENT AS A RESULT. ALSO A LOT LESS CATTLE IN THE PHILIPPINES.

6th June 2012, 04:05 AM	#5
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Maybe water buffalo leather?

6th June 2012, 10:54 AM	#8
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Hello, Vandoo has actually a very good remark that I also never thought about before; that the leather sheats are (sort of) introduced by the Spanish. Personally I dont think the leather used is from the native carabao/waterbuffalo as am really not sure if the filipinos knew how to make leather from hide (intricate proces). Than I guess the file would also be of Spanish origins?! This Tabak would date before the resistance against the Spanish I reckon. As most examples after (katipunan) would have a handle carved as a fist or an officershead (wright?). Again, a real gem Sajen! Who wouldnt want to own such a piece!?

6th June 2012, 03:30 PM	#9
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Philippinos didn't know how to process leather? They have been forging some of the finest blades for two hundred years or more. This takes a lot of skill understanding complex heat treatments and welding skills and to say that they didn't have the skills processing leather for scabbards is ridiculous.