Help with Malay Sword I.D.

Clubs & Arrows · 30th May 2012, 10:17 PM

Lew,
Thanks a lot for the help on this one. I appreciate it.

Best,
Joe

Sajen · 30th May 2012, 10:58 PM

Hello Joe,

think as well that it is a klewang from Sumatra but this handle form I have seen already by a klewang from Sumbawa.

Attached a picture from this one and from a klewang from Sumatra.

Regards,

Detlef

Maurice · 31st May 2012, 06:42 AM

This one is not from Sumbawa nor from Sumatra.

It's a banjar klewang from South Borneo.
Also the red paint is typical for this region, and original and not painted later on it.

Maurice

Maurice · 31st May 2012, 06:56 AM

Here some images of the one I once had some years ago.

Gavin Nugent · 31st May 2012, 08:25 AM

Interesting piece, it shows the typical forging pattern seen in many swords from Suawesi.
Those more learned will be able to explain who influenced who with the manufacture of that pattern within the blade.

Gav

Maurice · 31st May 2012, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebooter

Interesting piece, it shows the typical forging pattern seen in many swords from Suawesi.
Those more learned will be able to explain who influenced who with the manufacture of that pattern within the blade.

Gav

Hi Gav,

This wasn't a dayak weapon.
The Banjar klewang was in use by the Malay/Javanese/Sumatran/etc., who were traders around Banjarmasin and the estuary.
A bit further upriver you find the cultivated Moslim converted dayaks (who mixed up with the Malay/Javanese and other people who lived or wandered in the South, trying to earn a living by trading stuff) , and more further upriver the dayaktribes appear.....
The non-dayaks did the forging of this klewang from Banjar.

Maurice

asomotif · 31st May 2012, 12:14 PM

Pfew, I was already hoping that someone would step in and correct this thread.

I already searched for other threads on the forum mentioning this malay/borneo style, but could not find them.

Maurice,
I remember that you have old plate(s) with various banjar weapons, or was that once posted by Arjan ? again, tried the search function yesterday but sometimes there are just too many threads on this forum. maybe we should introduce a separate Borneo forum.

30th May 2012, 10:58 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Hello Joe, think as well that it is a klewang from Sumatra but this handle form I have seen already by a klewang from Sumbawa. Attached a picture from this one and from a klewang from Sumatra. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

31st May 2012, 06:42 AM	#3
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	This one is not from Sumbawa nor from Sumatra. It's a banjar klewang from South Borneo. Also the red paint is typical for this region, and original and not painted later on it. Maurice Last edited by Maurice; 31st May 2012 at 06:57 AM.

31st May 2012, 06:56 AM	#4
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Here some images of the one I once had some years ago. Attached Images

30th May 2012, 10:17 PM	#1
Clubs & Arrows Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Gabriel Foothills, Southern California Posts: 94	Lew, Thanks a lot for the help on this one. I appreciate it. Best, Joe

31st May 2012, 08:25 AM	#5
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Interesting piece, it shows the typical forging pattern seen in many swords from Suawesi. Those more learned will be able to explain who influenced who with the manufacture of that pattern within the blade. Gav

31st May 2012, 12:14 PM	#7
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Pfew, I was already hoping that someone would step in and correct this thread. I already searched for other threads on the forum mentioning this malay/borneo style, but could not find them. Maurice, I remember that you have old plate(s) with various banjar weapons, or was that once posted by Arjan ? again, tried the search function yesterday but sometimes there are just too many threads on this forum. maybe we should introduce a separate Borneo forum.