Bagobo Shield Puzzler

Sajen · 23rd May 2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

IMPRESSIVE COLLECTIONS AND DISPLAYS. ITS GOOD TO SEE OTHERS LIVE IN A MUSEUM TOO

Can't say it better!

Indianajones · 23rd May 2012, 07:00 PM

Hello all,

Apolaki; yes your blanket is indeed a Ifugao/ibaloi one, though am afraid I havent got good news for you concerning its age n authenticity.Firstly the blanket has a black, chemical dye and authentic ones have indigo blue. But can still be quite nice, decorative and can be used.

Joe; thanks also for allowing us to take a view along your collection (part). Havent had the time to make new ones of mi-own. Lots of Phil.items! Can I/we have a look at the domeshaped hat (first pic, glas display, topshelf, next2 brass helmet)? I might have a pic of a woman wearing it.
Your kalinga axe seemed to be puzzled with a bit; never thought of restoring it? (underneath the kalinga axe right one is a Apayao axe; knew that?)

Like your big wooden containers (Kankanai)! n more . . . .

. Very nice collection! The big wooden 'skullhead' in light color might be a bit out of place there I think as actually it is an 'object' used in Mexico -I believe- where they stick many layers of glued paper on it, to dry> getting hard carton and to cut it off this: hence the cutline accross the middle. The carton figures are painted n used in festival. And d wood 'mall' is used to make yet another.

Til soon

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Sajen · 23rd May 2012, 08:40 PM

Since here are shown some blanket I want to ask Wouter about my one. I think it is a Kalinga piece and want to know more about it. It is 117 x66 cm and worn, so i think it is authentic.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 23rd May 2012, 08:57 PM

And because here are shown so beautiful displays I want to show a part of my humble Moro display.

apolaki · 23rd May 2012, 10:03 PM

My collection of Igorot items, but i doubt many are authentic except for the Duyu bowl?

Clubs & Arrows · 24th May 2012, 06:25 AM

Vandoo, I will see if I can dig up anything about the fair/shield. Thank you for the possible lead.
Sajen, the Moro blades look great on the wall.
Apolaki your collection looks very nice as well, I especially like the bowl and of course the hat.
Wouter, another example of a carved wooden Philippine skull is in the book Aberrations & Oddities - Curious Tribal Art by Michael Auliso and Gregory Ghent. The carved line down the center actually goes all the way around the head. Never saw any like it at any of the Day of the Dead festivals, but I do like going to them in early November.

Best regards,
Joe

Indianajones · 24th May 2012, 08:06 PM

Hi again,
Sajen; your blanket or may be skirt (depends on size) is I also think worn and used by the Ifugao, as it is derived from a quite large textile from the Ifugao, called a 'baya'ong'. These were worn by more wealthy as it can be chilly there. Included a pic of such large cloth. Though have to say yours has black color and the early 20th cent pieces are in indigo blue.
Kalinga (South-)use different ones with red n d.blue stripes and embroidered with yellow n red 'pyramids'.
Thanks for sharing your pieces; very nice!

Thanks for the additional pics Joe. Have scanned and attached the pic with the woman wearing this same type of hat as in your collection. This couple would certainly be a chief n wife and are from Gadang origins (neighbours of East n North-Kalingatribes). Area; south of Tabuk city, Abra prov.Luzon.
This pic is made just after 1900.
B.T.W your brass moro helmet am sure will also make quite some folks here a bit green of envy . . .he he he. Looks almost identical to the one in Kriegers Phil arms book I think?!?

New pics form my collection still to come

Oaoaoh so sunny n hot at the moment here in Holland! Made a few but not all yet. And than got to resize them all!

23rd May 2012, 08:40 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Since here are shown some blanket I want to ask Wouter about my one. I think it is a Kalinga piece and want to know more about it. It is 117 x66 cm and worn, so i think it is authentic. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

23rd May 2012, 08:57 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	And because here are shown so beautiful displays I want to show a part of my humble Moro display. Attached Images

24th May 2012, 06:25 AM	#6
Clubs & Arrows Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Gabriel Foothills, Southern California Posts: 94	Vandoo, I will see if I can dig up anything about the fair/shield. Thank you for the possible lead. Sajen, the Moro blades look great on the wall. Apolaki your collection looks very nice as well, I especially like the bowl and of course the hat. Wouter, another example of a carved wooden Philippine skull is in the book Aberrations & Oddities - Curious Tribal Art by Michael Auliso and Gregory Ghent. The carved line down the center actually goes all the way around the head. Never saw any like it at any of the Day of the Dead festivals, but I do like going to them in early November. Best regards, Joe Attached Images

24th May 2012, 08:06 PM	#7
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Hi again, Sajen; your blanket or may be skirt (depends on size) is I also think worn and used by the Ifugao, as it is derived from a quite large textile from the Ifugao, called a 'baya'ong'. These were worn by more wealthy as it can be chilly there. Included a pic of such large cloth. Though have to say yours has black color and the early 20th cent pieces are in indigo blue. Kalinga (South-)use different ones with red n d.blue stripes and embroidered with yellow n red 'pyramids'. Thanks for sharing your pieces; very nice! Thanks for the additional pics Joe. Have scanned and attached the pic with the woman wearing this same type of hat as in your collection. This couple would certainly be a chief n wife and are from Gadang origins (neighbours of East n North-Kalingatribes). Area; south of Tabuk city, Abra prov.Luzon. This pic is made just after 1900. B.T.W your brass moro helmet am sure will also make quite some folks here a bit green of envy . . .he he he. Looks almost identical to the one in Kriegers Phil arms book I think?!? New pics form my collection still to come Oaoaoh so sunny n hot at the moment here in Holland! Made a few but not all yet. And than got to resize them all! Attached Images

23rd May 2012, 07:00 PM	#2
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Hello all, Apolaki; yes your blanket is indeed a Ifugao/ibaloi one, though am afraid I havent got good news for you concerning its age n authenticity.Firstly the blanket has a black, chemical dye and authentic ones have indigo blue. But can still be quite nice, decorative and can be used. Joe; thanks also for allowing us to take a view along your collection (part). Havent had the time to make new ones of mi-own. Lots of Phil.items! Can I/we have a look at the domeshaped hat (first pic, glas display, topshelf, next2 brass helmet)? I might have a pic of a woman wearing it. Your kalinga axe seemed to be puzzled with a bit; never thought of restoring it? (underneath the kalinga axe right one is a Apayao axe; knew that?) Like your big wooden containers (Kankanai)! n more . . . . . Very nice collection! The big wooden 'skullhead' in light color might be a bit out of place there I think as actually it is an 'object' used in Mexico -I believe- where they stick many layers of glued paper on it, to dry> getting hard carton and to cut it off this: hence the cutline accross the middle. The carton figures are painted n used in festival. And d wood 'mall' is used to make yet another. Til soon .

23rd May 2012, 10:03 PM	#5
apolaki Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 160	My collection of Igorot items, but i doubt many are authentic except for the Duyu bowl?