Pamor Udan Mas

Jean · 21st May 2012, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbhmgb

Jean,

You make an excellent point!

The similarities are amazing. It would be interesting to know if they were forged by the same person.

Dan

Hi Dan,
Yeah, this is actually related to the other thread about collecting new krisses. It would be nice if Gio could show us his similar blade as well for comparison purpose.
I attach another picture of my kris from the other side of the blade.
Regards
Jean

Rick · 21st May 2012, 02:53 PM

It is the pattern of the udan mas that is the same here; 2 1 2 1 2 1 and so on down the blade .

Good workmanship but a little unimaginative in execution .

dbhmgb · 21st May 2012, 04:25 PM

Just for grins - I threw this together real fast to compare our pamor patterns.

Jean · 21st May 2012, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

It is the pattern of the udan mas that is the same here; 2 1 2 1 2 1 and so on down the blade .

Right observation Rick, thanks. This type of repeating pattern seems standard on many modern UM blades. The shape and dapur of both blades also look similar, mine is 37.5 cm long excluding the peksi and was probably made in Madura.
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 21st May 2012, 10:36 PM

Simple dhapur.

Simple pamor.

Same time period.

Same point of geographic origin.

All blades competently made.

Do we really expect to see any variation?

This is what the appraisal of keris is all about:- they are not supposed to display invention and imagination, they are supposed to display uniformity.

Think about it:- if a keris is produced for local consumption, it needs to be made within very narrow parameters in order to be fitted to a correctly formed and proportioned set of dress. If the maker is working to a uniform pattern in one dimension of his work, its no real big effort to maintain that uniformity.

If you look at a selection of very high quality, but simple, Javanese blades from, say, the PBX era, you will find similar uniformity, even though the makers are different.

When we move from simplicity to complexity, say a dhapur with full ricikan, or a complex twist pamor, yes, there we will find the variation in execution that points to different hands being involved.

dbhmgb · 21st May 2012, 10:42 PM

Alan,

Thank you, that makes perfect sense.

Dan

GIO · 27th May 2012, 03:58 PM

Hi Jean,
Here is my blade.
Sorry for the bad pics: it is cloudy today.

Jean · 28th May 2012, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GIO

Hi Jean,
Here is my blade.
Sorry for the bad pics: it is cloudy today.

Thanks Gio, the blade looks similar indeed but from the pictures the pamor pattern is less regular than on the 2 others, may be made by a different person?

Regards

21st May 2012, 04:25 PM	#3
dbhmgb Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 112	Just for grins - I threw this together real fast to compare our pamor patterns. Attached Images

27th May 2012, 03:58 PM	#7
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 328	Hi Jean, Here is my blade. Sorry for the bad pics: it is cloudy today. Attached Images

21st May 2012, 02:53 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	It is the pattern of the udan mas that is the same here; 2 1 2 1 2 1 and so on down the blade . Good workmanship but a little unimaginative in execution .

21st May 2012, 10:36 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Simple dhapur. Simple pamor. Same time period. Same point of geographic origin. All blades competently made. Do we really expect to see any variation? This is what the appraisal of keris is all about:- they are not supposed to display invention and imagination, they are supposed to display uniformity. Think about it:- if a keris is produced for local consumption, it needs to be made within very narrow parameters in order to be fitted to a correctly formed and proportioned set of dress. If the maker is working to a uniform pattern in one dimension of his work, its no real big effort to maintain that uniformity. If you look at a selection of very high quality, but simple, Javanese blades from, say, the PBX era, you will find similar uniformity, even though the makers are different. When we move from simplicity to complexity, say a dhapur with full ricikan, or a complex twist pamor, yes, there we will find the variation in execution that points to different hands being involved.

21st May 2012, 10:42 PM	#6
dbhmgb Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 112	Alan, Thank you, that makes perfect sense. Dan