Pala Kilic Wootz? with European Hilt.

[Norman McCormick]

Hi,
Many thanks for your comments and help re the translation, I'm a bit lost as to the Latin inscription, which text do you mean?
My Regards,
Norman.

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Nice one. I really like the blend! The inscription at the top says "bashir almumeneen" (bring glad tidings to the believers. Quranic verse) the bottom one says "hibir/hisir (?) albab" (I think its either a name or a sufi reference albab means door)

What about the latin inscription? I cant read it... Maybe some date is there?

[Norman McCormick]

Hi,
Sword sold by Christies described as an Austrian officers presentation sabre .
Regards,
Norman.

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi,
Many thanks for your comments and help re the translation, I'm a bit lost as to the Latin inscription, which text do you mean?
My Regards,
Norman.

Hey mate,

I meant the 3rd picture. Seems like latin letters to me.

[Norman McCormick]

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Hey mate,

I meant the 3rd picture. Seems like latin letters to me.

Hi,
See what you mean but not Latin, am thinking from somewhere possibly in the Eastern part of the Austro-Hungarian empire but am a bit stumped at the moment. Looks for all the world like a set of three initials and a date????
My Regards,
Norman.

[Atlantia]

It occured to me that the crescent moon with three stars might pertain to a particular part of the empire. That might help to ID the script?

[A.alnakkas]

Just noticed the crescent and stars. Reminds me of my straight Yemeni Karabella..

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Just noticed the crescent and stars. Reminds me of my straight Yemeni Karabella..

Three crescent moons and three stars.... interesting.

Wasn't that the first flag of the independant Egypt a crescent moon and three stars??

Edit: add flag.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fl...Egypt_1922.svg

[A.alnakkas]

Hey Gene, How you doing? :-)

I have suggested this before in a discussion with Iain (or Gav, cant remember) I think the stamp is Egyptian khediwi symbol on my sword. Could this be the same for Norman's pala? Maybe its european made for Egypt when the army was being standardised there.. Just guessing really ;P

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

I'm a bit lost as to the Latin inscription

Hi every body
no Latin inscription, the alphabet used seems to be Cyrillic
may be "Serb" or "Macedonian"
when we'll know from where this alphabet,
we'll know, from where it's came from, this beautiful "Pala"
we dunno at all to read Eastern languages

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Dom

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by Dom

Hi every body
no Latin inscription, the alphabet used seems to be Cyrillic
may be "Serb" or "Macedonian"
when we'll know from where this alphabet,
we'll know, from where it's came from, this beautiful "Pala"
we dunno at all to read Eastern languages

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Dom

Salam Alaikum Bro!

Well done. Could this be from albanians maybe? No idea, i am just guessing, highly doubt that Serbs will quote Quran so it could be muslims speaker of the language.

[ariel]

Ain't no Cyrillic. It does remind some Cyrillic letters, but no more than Arabic ones.

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by ariel

Ain't no Cyrillic. It does remind some Cyrillic letters, but no more than Arabic ones.

who ever made the etching have normally used Arabic on one side. Makes no sense if he/she would etch pseudo Arabic gibberish on the other side. Imho, there is a 'k' and '5' on the other 'latin' inscription but I could be wrong. Interesting piece anyways!

[Gavin Nugent]

An awesome sword Norman, thanks for sharing!

Gav

[Norman McCormick]

Hi Guys,
Thanks to all for your continued interest and comments. Am still searching the net etc. for more answers. Please feel free to chip in with any ideas.
Regards,
Norman.

[Dom]

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

mho, there is a 'k' and '5' on the other 'latin' inscription but I could be wrong. Interesting piece anyways!

Salam Aleikum my Brother
you are nearly right
- the "k" seems to be really a "k" ... but the "5" I have a doubt

I practiced a little bit the paleography with French documents for genealogical purpose,
with this experience, I think that may be;
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Serb alphabet extracted from Wikipedia

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

highly doubt that Serbs will quote Quran so it could be muslims speaker of the language.

it sure, that the Serbs wasn't Arabic speakers, but part of them was (are, still yet) Muslims
the Ottoman empire was until Vienna's gates, for a long time
as you know, it was always more Muslims than Arabic speakers, as well as now
also nothing strange, to find Islamic mention on weapons not Arabic

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

The inscription at the top says "bashir almumeneen" (bring glad tidings to the believers. Quranic verse) the bottom one says "hibir/hisir (?) albab" (I think its either a name or a sufi reference albab means door)

may I suggest you, what my translator ... read
BASHIR AL MUMENEEN, KHAYR AL BAB either (but may be you could be better than me for that ...) GIVE THEM THE HOPE TO GET THE PARADISE
as far as I understood; "khayr al bab" it's the best door of the paradise, who has several


enough ... that's set for today ...

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Dom